{"id":94442,"date":"2016-05-16T18:08:16","date_gmt":"2016-05-16T22:08:16","guid":{"rendered":"\/news\/?p=94442"},"modified":"2016-07-09T11:57:00","modified_gmt":"2016-07-09T15:57:00","slug":"abortion-advocates-discrimination-cant-apply-to-preborn-they-arent-people","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/archive.liveaction.org\/news\/abortion-advocates-discrimination-cant-apply-to-preborn-they-arent-people\/","title":{"rendered":"Abortion advocates: &#8216;Discrimination&#8217; can&#8217;t apply to preborn because they aren&#8217;t people"},"content":{"rendered":"<div style=\"margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;\" class=\"sharethis-inline-share-buttons\" ><\/div><p>At the Atlantic, Emma Green <a href=\"http:\/\/www.theatlantic.com\/politics\/archive\/2016\/05\/sex-disability-race-selective-abortion-indiana\/482856\/\">tackles<\/a> the subject of sex-selection and genetic-abnormality abortion bans under the provocative headline, \u201cShould Women Be Able to Abort a Fetus Just Because It\u2019s Female?\u201d<\/p>\n<p>What follows doesn\u2019t venture a firm answer. On the one hand, Green refreshingly acknowledges \u201ca set of difficult moral questions that pro-choice progressives tend to ignore,\u201d especially on the subject of gender discrimination. On the other hand, the article quotes a number of pro-choice rationalizations without interviewing pro-life voices to challenge them, especially giving a pass for aborting based on disabilities.<\/p>\n<p><!--more--><\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px\">\u201cIt\u2019s meant to put women in this queasy position of having to justify two things that might not fit together in one political belief,\u201d said Carol Sanger, a professor at Columbia Law School. \u201cSometimes women abort for reasons we wouldn\u2019t like\u2014\u2018we\u2019 being whoever the woman isn\u2019t.\u201d<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>So for all the abortion movement\u2019s talk of championing women against any and all forms of oppression, when it comes to abortion killing someone expressly because she\u2019s female, it suddenly becomes a question of what people subjectively \u201clike\u201d rather than an objective moral wrong.<\/p>\n<p>Admittedly, that may actually be the best rationalization available in a sea of bad options; once you\u2019ve justified a practice by dehumanizing its victims, you <a href=\"\/news\/sex-selection-abortion-gendercide-how-okay\/\">can&#8217;t turn around and recognize selective aspects of their humanity<\/a>.<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px\">These prohibitions come with a certain irony: The ACLU, for example, spends enormous resources fighting exactly the kind of discrimination these bills address, especially that which penalizes women, racial minorities, and people with disabilities. But because United States law doesn\u2019t see fetuses as people, the organization doesn\u2019t see a need to protect them from discrimination.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>I couldn\u2019t have said it better myself. The idea that anyone can support abortion without impairing their credentials on human rights, equality, or discrimination is a farce based on nothing more than pretending abortion\u2019s victims don\u2019t count as members of the human family. It\u2019s long past time for the American \u201cCivil Liberties\u201d Union to get a more accurate name under its initials (\u201c<a href=\"https:\/\/www.google.com\/search?q=%22anti-christian+lawyers+union%22&amp;ie=utf-8&amp;oe=utf-8\">Anti-Christian Lawyers Union<\/a>\u201d is a popular suggestion.) And the ACLU\u2019s excuse for their hypocrisy doesn\u2019t help:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px\">The reasons for putting these protections in place are \u201cred herrings,\u201d argued Jane Henegar, the head of the ACLU of Indiana. \u201cIt\u2019s a tension that has been manufactured. It doesn\u2019t really exist.\u201d But in some places, the tension seems very real. While it\u2019s difficult to track sex-selective abortions in the United States, for example, in countries like India and China where sex-selective abortion is widespread, the ratio of male-to-female births is significantly skewed and has changed demographics over time.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>First, even if the intent behind the bills was insincere, the problems they address\u2014the power to use abortion as a tool for sexism\u2014would remain real. Second, it is indeed a real problem in America\u2014Live Action <a href=\"http:\/\/protectourgirls.com\/videos\/\">has exposed<\/a> several Planned Parenthood locations willing to conduct sex-selection abortions, as well as <a href=\"http:\/\/protectourgirls.com\/learn\/\">academic evidence<\/a> that it\u2019s happening here.<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px\">The shift in gender demographics in some places in the world \u201cis scary,\u201d said Marsha Sexton, a lecturer at Berkeley who oversees research and training at the World Institute on Disability. \u201cBut prohibiting sex selection isn\u2019t addressing the real problem. The real problem is sexism.\u201d<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>What? It\u2019s not a binary choice; is there any other issue on which pro-choicers would say the offense itself isn\u2019t the real problem, and that we should leave it untouched in favor of uprooting the motive? Of course not, because we understand\u2014or at least used to understand\u2014that laws can stop actions, not ideas.<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px\">From [disability advocate Kim] Dodson\u2019s perspective, these abortion bans aren\u2019t just about fetal health, or a right to life; they\u2019re about what it means to live out that disabled life. Some people thrive, like many of the disabled staffers at her organization [The Arc]. But \u201cwe have just as many concerning cases as we do the positive cases,\u201d she said.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>Of course\u2026but when the child is killed before we know whether the case will be concerning or positive, you take away any possibility of having a good life or overcoming a bad one.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/AbortionProcedures.com\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-88619\" src=\"https:\/\/www.liveactionnews.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/02\/levatino-ad-LAN.jpg\" alt=\"levatino-ad-LAN\" width=\"306\" height=\"225\" srcset=\"https:\/\/archive.liveaction.org\/news\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/02\/levatino-ad-LAN.jpg 306w, https:\/\/archive.liveaction.org\/news\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/02\/levatino-ad-LAN-300x221.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 306px) 100vw, 306px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>It\u2019s not for us to decide when anyone would be better off dead; if it was, society would also tolerate people killing born relatives in the name of mercy (although some radicals want that, too). One reason why is because of cases <a href=\"\/news\/parents-pressured-abort-show-beautiful-healthy-daughter\/\">we cover<\/a> <a href=\"\/news\/baby-born-24-weeks-overcomes-odds\/\">all the time<\/a> of babies who beat medical expectations. Another is because the precedent would lead to far more suffering; today it\u2019s supposedly 100% certainty of death, tomorrow it\u2019s lower, the day after that\u2026<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px\">No matter the reasons behind it, or whether it survives litigation, bills like Indiana\u2019s can have a powerful cultural effect. After all, \u201cdiscrimination\u201d is a word used in the context of dignity-based rights; it\u2019s part of the language of personhood. In the Indiana law, \u201cThey call [the fetus] \u2018unborn child,\u2019\u201d Sanger, the Columbia professor, pointed out. \u201cUsually a \u2018child\u2019 is a living person. We get this really beautiful rhetoric; we are subtly persuaded to think of the fetus as a child. The language works on us.\u201d<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>Ah, I see. It\u2019s just \u201clanguage\u201d manipulating us. Never mind that the language <a href=\"\/news\/decode-pro-abortion-talking-points-with-the-choicespeak-to-english-dictionary-part-1\/\">is correct<\/a>. It couldn\u2019t possibly be that we <em>should<\/em> \u201cthink of the fetus as a child,\u201d because he or she <a href=\"\/news\/the-science-of-abortion-when-does-life-begin\/\">really is<\/a> a living person.<\/p>\n<p>And therein lies the bottom line: support for abortion can never be reconciled with distaste for prenatal discrimination, because to condemn the latter would admit too much about the former as the ultimate form of prenatal discrimination. Weep not for the pro-aborts trying to square this circle; they\u2019re trapped in a maze of their own creation.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>At the Atlantic, Emma Green tackles the subject of sex-selection and genetic-abnormality abortion bans under the provocative headline, \u201cShould Women Be Able to Abort a Fetus Just Because It\u2019s Female?\u201d What follows doesn\u2019t venture a firm answer. On the one hand, Green refreshingly acknowledges \u201ca set of difficult moral questions that pro-choice progressives tend to [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":54,"featured_media":53579,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"om_disable_all_campaigns":false},"categories":[15],"tags":[19,575,8774,3299,5031,8773,5464,74,8775,8777,8776,7404,1206,157,1365],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v20.7 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/wordpress\/plugins\/seo\/ -->\n<title>Abortion advocates: &#039;Discrimination&#039; can&#039;t apply to preborn because they aren&#039;t people<\/title>\n<meta name=\"description\" content=\"For all the pro-abortion talk of fighting against female oppression, when it comes to abortion killing someone because she\u2019s female, it becomes subjective.\" \/>\n<meta name=\"robots\" content=\"index, follow, max-snippet:-1, max-image-preview:large, max-video-preview:-1\" \/>\n<link rel=\"canonical\" href=\"https:\/\/archive.liveaction.org\/news\/abortion-advocates-discrimination-cant-apply-to-preborn-they-arent-people\/\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:locale\" content=\"en_US\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:type\" content=\"article\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:title\" content=\"Abortion advocates: &#039;Discrimination&#039; 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