{"id":92234,"date":"2016-04-12T11:29:29","date_gmt":"2016-04-12T15:29:29","guid":{"rendered":"\/news\/?p=92234"},"modified":"2016-04-12T00:09:30","modified_gmt":"2016-04-12T04:09:30","slug":"salons-latest-nonsense-pro-lifers-think-women-are-dumb","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/archive.liveaction.org\/news\/salons-latest-nonsense-pro-lifers-think-women-are-dumb\/","title":{"rendered":"Salon&#8217;s latest nonsense: Pro-lifers think &#8220;women are dumb&#8221;"},"content":{"rendered":"<div style=\"margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;\" class=\"sharethis-inline-share-buttons\" ><\/div><p>The responses to Donald Trump\u2019s quickly-retracted comments about punishing women for illegal abortions have shown a diverse array of creative ways pro-aborts can spin the truth. We got \u201c<a href=\"\/news\/media-seizes-on-trumps-latest-gaffe-to-attack-pro-lifers\/\">pro-lifers really would punish women no matter what they say<\/a>.\u201d We got \u201c<a href=\"\/news\/that-was-fast-pro-aborts-declare-jailing-abortionists-just-as-terrifying-as-jailing-women\/\">jailing abortionists hurts women just as much<\/a>.\u201d In the past, we\u2019ve gotten \u201c<a href=\"\/news\/insane-can-pro-abortion-talking-points-get-insane\/\">you&#8217;re not really pro-life unless you&#8217;d punish women<\/a>.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>And now Salon brings us another twist on the narrative. Valerie Tarico <a href=\"http:\/\/www.salon.com\/2016\/04\/05\/donald_trumps_big_fck_you_this_is_what_trump_and_ted_cruz_are_really_saying_to_women_when_they_talk_abortion\/\">argues<\/a> that when pro-lifers say that, should abortion ever become illegal, we should limit the punishment to the abortionist, we\u2019re really saying, \u201cWomen are like little children or people who are mentally impaired and can\u2019t legally be held responsible for their \u2018decisions\u2019 or actions.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><!--more-->According to her, the <a href=\"majority%20of%20pro-life%20leaders\">vast majority of pro-life leaders<\/a> are really saying:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\">Women are dumb. They don\u2019t know what they are doing.<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\">Women are gullible. They are easily duped by tricksters who just want to make money off of medical procedures and pills.<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\">Women are incapable of managing their own lives. Left on their own they will make bad decisions that they regret.<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\">Women are weak. They need to be protected by big strong men with lots of money and political power \u2013 Men like Donald Trump and Ted Cruz.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>Wow! Who would have guessed that so many pro-life leaders would take such a dim view of, er, <a href=\"\/news\/pro-aborts-love-women-so-much-they-pretend-not-to-see-them-when-theyre-pro-life\/\">their own gender<\/a>?<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\">Don\u2019t you worry your pretty little head about this. Daddy knows best. Let go and let God. (Man is made in the image of God.) He will provide. A woman\u2019s place is in the home; Barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>Hmm, do you think Tarico knows that Heidi Cruz <a href=\"http:\/\/www.usatoday.com\/story\/news\/politics\/elections\/2015\/03\/23\/heidi-cruz-presidential-race-profile\/70329060\/\">is a managing director at Goldman Sachs<\/a> who previously held a number of positions with the Bush Administration? I\u2019m gonna go out on a limb and take that as a sign her <a href=\"\/news\/cruz-mom-and-child-both-victims-of-abortion-dont-punish-the-baby-for-rape\/\">husband Ted<\/a> doesn\u2019t think her place is in the kitchen.<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\">Come on, even the Bible says that God put men in charge, that a woman\u2019s glory is her hair\u2014Muhammad got that one right\u2014and women will be saved by childbearing! No sense of humor? You\u2019re so cute when you\u2019re angry.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>I don\u2019t know about you, but I personally find Bible verses sarcastically taken out of context to reinforce pro-abortion stereotypes <em>very<\/em> persuasive. Much more compelling than responding to any of the things anyone Tarico\u2019s complaining about has ever actually said.<\/p>\n<p>That\u2019s the first takeaway here. \u201cPro-lifers infantilize women\u201d is false, but even if it wasn\u2019t, Tarico has still said nothing to show fetuses aren\u2019t living human beings, that killing them isn\u2019t ethically equivalent to murder, or that abortion should remain legal. Gee, it\u2019s almost as if she\u2019s using character assassination as an excuse to change the subject from arguments she knows she can\u2019t win\u2026<\/p>\n<p>Regardless, the question remains: does it infantilize women to say abortion is murder but they are not murderers? If Tarico had looked up what we think before telling us what we think, she would have found <a href=\"http:\/\/www.latimes.com\/opinion\/op-ed\/la-oe-0401-forsythe-pro-life-abortion-prosecution-20160331-story.html\">ample legal precedent<\/a> on the subject, from which she would have learned that the law\u2019s primary concern is to save lives, not to make statements, and in this case experience showed that punishing women was counterproductive to bringing abortionists to justice.<\/p>\n<p>Second, there\u2019s the question of what culpability requires. Yes, if one is adequately educated about the <a href=\"\/news\/the-science-of-abortion-when-does-life-begin\/\">principles of biology<\/a> and the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.abort73.com\/abortion\/medical_testimony\/\">consensus of embryology<\/a>, there is no excuse not to know that abortion kills. But there\u2019s the rub\u2014in our society, our common understanding of the subject is severely handicapped by the abortion industry <a href=\"\/news\/are-women-considering-abortion-informed-not-if-planned-parenthood-can-help-it\/\">and supposed \u201cwomen&#8217;s health\u201d establishment<\/a>, our <a href=\"\/news\/8-congressmen-demand-major-networks-to-cover-planned-parenthoods-scandal\/\">news<\/a> and <a href=\"\/news\/hollywoods-abortion-problem-or-new-low-in-pro-choice-paranoia\/\">entertainment<\/a> media, and roughly half of our country\u2019s elected officials intentionally misinforming the public about the truth.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.abortionprocedures.com\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"aligncenter wp-image-88733\" src=\"https:\/\/www.liveactionnews.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/02\/levatino-ad-LAN-1.jpg\" alt=\"levatino-ad-LAN\" width=\"317\" height=\"233\" srcset=\"https:\/\/archive.liveaction.org\/news\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/02\/levatino-ad-LAN-1.jpg 600w, https:\/\/archive.liveaction.org\/news\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/02\/levatino-ad-LAN-1-300x221.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 317px) 100vw, 317px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Even our schools fail to equip students with the facts here, and even the rare <a href=\"\/news\/oklahoma-house-considers-bill-add-life-conception-education-high-school\/\">attempt<\/a> to do so is met with <a href=\"http:\/\/kfor.com\/2016\/02\/24\/bill-that-would-create-humanity-of-the-unborn-child-act-passes-committee\/\">objections<\/a> that teaching indisputable scientific facts amounts to teaching \u201cpoints of view\u201d and requires opt-out provisions.<\/p>\n<p>Nobody can deny how dramatically all of this handicaps the public understanding of the issue, and certainly no reasonable person would claim we\u2019re saying women are somehow more susceptible to it than men. Would Tarico prefer it if pro-lifers <em>didn\u2019t<\/em> try to understand how abortion seekers come to mistaken conclusions about the preborn before we decide what to do about it?<\/p>\n<p>Apparently so, because she\u2019s not interested in understanding what pro-lifers are really saying at all, even if for no other reason than to find chinks in our armor. Instead, she rounds out the piece complaining that pro-lifers want women \u201cto turn on\u201d the abortionists \u201cwho have been there for us,\u201d which reinforces <em>more<\/em> sexist stereotypes\u2026 somehow; and ludicrously claims we\u2019re pushing a \u201ccon\u201d because even if the abortionists are the only murderers, women would still qualify as accomplices.<\/p>\n<p>Sure, Valerie. Because it\u2019s impossible for legislation to <a href=\"https:\/\/www.govtrack.us\/congress\/bills\/114\/hr36\/text\">specify who is and isn&#8217;t legally liable<\/a>, and we don\u2019t have a <a href=\"http:\/\/www.latimes.com\/opinion\/op-ed\/la-oe-0401-forsythe-pro-life-abortion-prosecution-20160331-story.html\">history of case law<\/a> showing women were virtually never prosecuted for abortions in the supposed dark ages.<\/p>\n<p>The only ones perpetrating stereotypes here are Salon, Valerie Tarico, and their fellow travelers. They actually don\u2019t want a country where both sides equally respect and cherish women despite our disagreements. They want pro-lifers to be women-hating caricatures so badly that when we aren\u2019t, they\u2019ll twist our compassion into sins, no matter how nonsensical.<\/p>\n<p>Keeping pro-aborts in a sense of perpetual victimhood, so they\u2019re constantly too angry or fearful to stop and think about the propaganda they\u2019ve been sold, is all that matters.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>The responses to Donald Trump\u2019s quickly-retracted comments about punishing women for illegal abortions have shown a diverse array of creative ways pro-aborts can spin the truth. We got \u201cpro-lifers really would punish women no matter what they say.\u201d We got \u201cjailing abortionists hurts women just as much.\u201d In the past, we\u2019ve gotten \u201cyou&#8217;re not really [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":54,"featured_media":57362,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"om_disable_all_campaigns":false},"categories":[3],"tags":[19,1246,70,3885,8316,3962,4937,8114,435,3908,2076,349],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v20.7 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/wordpress\/plugins\/seo\/ -->\n<title>Salon&#039;s latest nonsense: Pro-lifers think &quot;women are dumb&quot;<\/title>\n<meta name=\"description\" content=\"Abortion fans want pro-lifers to be women-hating caricatures so badly that when we aren\u2019t, they twist our compassion into sins, no matter how nonsensical.\" \/>\n<meta name=\"robots\" content=\"index, follow, max-snippet:-1, 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