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PCAN would refuse to debate whether this is a human being.<\/p><\/div>\n

It\u2019s interesting to ponder the fact that abortion-rights groups can be so adamant about their unwillingness to publicly discuss what it is they support<\/a>.\u00a0 We hear things like this all the time:<\/p>\n

\u201cSupport a woman\u2019s right to choose!\u201d\u00a0<\/em><\/strong>
\n\u201cDefend reproductive freedom!\u201d\u00a0<\/em><\/strong>
\n\u201cBe a voice for choice!\u201d<\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n

They ought to add an asterisk though\u2026 \u00a0* \u201cBut whatever you do, makes sure you never, ever under any circumstances engage in a debate about abortion with anyone about it publicly.\u00a0 EVER!!\u201d<\/p>\n

Here is the ultimate word of wisdom from the Pro-Choice Action Network of Canada in regards to debating abortion: DON’T!<\/p>\n

Their site reads:<\/p>\n

\u201cWhy we don\u2019t debate anti-choice spokespersons: The Pro-Choice Action Network (PCAN) sometimes gets requests from anti-choice groups or from the media to have a debate with anti-choice spokespersons. Along with most other pro-choice groups, we do not engage in debates with the anti-choice — by which we mean public debates before an audience, or on radio or TV. Here’s why:<\/p>\n

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  1. The right to abortion is not debatable, because access to legal, safe abortion is a fundamental human right, one that is protected by law and supported by the majority of citizens. The provision of basic human rights is not open to debate.<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<\/blockquote>\n

    The right to abortion is not debatable?\u00a0 I think the word they\u2019re looking for is \u201cdefendable.\u201d \u00a0It\u2019s pretty difficult to justify deliberately and violently ending the life of a human being at his or her most vulnerable stage of life and try to pass it off as a mere \u201cchoice\u201d women can make.\u00a0 Abortion is not a human right because killing someone isn\u2019t a human right.\u00a0 The right to life, on the other hand, is the most fundamental of all human rights and therefore should be the most protected.<\/p>\n

    2. Likewise, the right to choose abortion should not be subject to a vote, because access to safe abortion is a fundamental health issue for women. Abortion cannot be legally restricted without substantial harm to women.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

    Abortion has virtually nothing to do with healthcare.\u00a0 It\u2019s about as medically necessary as breast augmentation surgery is.<\/p>\n

    The late Dr. Bernard Nathanson, former abortionist, director of the world\u2019s once-largest abortion facility, and a founding member of NARAL Pro-Choice America, explained that the number of illegal abortions performed in America pre-Roe vs. Wade was \u201capproaching 100,000\u201d annually and 200-250 women died from these procedures each year in Confessions of an Ex-Abortionist.<\/em>\u00a0 This is a tragic way for any woman to die, but it should be noted that pro-lifers don\u2019t actually do abortions.\u00a0 Any woman that was ever injured or killed during an abortion, regardless of its legality, was injured or killed by a person that was in favor of abortion \u201crights.\u201d\u00a0 You can\u2019t logically blame pro-lifers for that, PCAN.<\/p>\n

    3. Debating the anti-choice would be an abdication of our responsibility to help women and support abortion providers because the anti-choice position is harmful to women and to providers. Debating the anti-choice would lend legitimacy to this harmful position.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

    Wait, debating with a person or group you \u201cknow\u201d is in the absolute wrong is a relinquishing of responsibility? \u00a0If you know you\u2019re right about a vital issue, isn\u2019t it your responsibility to enlighten a misinformed person as to why they\u2019re wrong?<\/p>\n

    If someone suggested a public debate should be held on whether it\u2019s acceptable to beat a child, rape a woman, or kill an innocent person, I\u2019d happily take up the invitation to a debate because the right position is so painfully obvious. \u00a0Not for one second would any sane person think to turn down an opportunity to explain that rape and child abuse are wrong because it would \u201clend legitimacy\u201d to a pro-rape or pro-child abuse stance.\u00a0 That\u2019s ludicrous.<\/p>\n

    If these abortion-rights organizations are so steadfast in their beliefs, why not stand up and proclaim so to everyone?\u00a0 Come on, Pro-Choice Action Network!\u00a0 Say it loud, say it proud! Further they advise:<\/p>\n

    4. Debates imply that the participants could be led to a compromise. We will never compromise a woman’s right to choose. And we suspect the anti-choice will never compromise their stance against legal abortion. This leaves little justification for a debate.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

    If we so-called “anti-choicers” are wrong, why not seize the grand opportunity to publicly rip us to shreds, blow our pitiful arguments out of the water, expose the error of our misguided attempts to end abortion to the world, put us in our places and shame us all?<\/p>\n

    If these abortion-rights advocate groups thought they had a shot at denouncing the truth about abortion to the public, they\u2019d happily debate with us.\u00a0 But like I said, it\u2019s pretty difficult to justify killing an innocent human being in the name of choice.<\/p>\n

    5. Debates imply opposing sides, but anti-choice and pro-choice are not the opposite of each other. The opposite of forced pregnancy is forced abortion. We oppose both.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

    Hold up, PCAN, you literally just told us that you \u201cwill never compromise a woman’s right to choose\u201d abortion, and you \u201csuspect the anti-choice will never compromise their stance against legal abortion.\u201d\u00a0 Pro-life and pro-choice positions are opposed on this one pivotal issue: whether abortion should be legal or not.\u00a0 You can\u2019t get much more blatant polar opposites than that.<\/p>\n

    If these abortion-rights networks and organizations in Canada are at all like those in America, they\u2019re deafeningly silent on the issue of forced abortion, especially when it comes to China\u2019s gruesomely upheld one-child policy.<\/p>\n

    6. Debates are public relations events, usually staged by the anti-choice. Such debates are not designed to change peoples’ minds or provide useful information. Truth often becomes a casualty in such debates, because the “winner” is the side with the slickest presentation and fanciest rhetoric.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

    Public debates are usually encouraged by pro-lifers because we\u2019re the ones that want the world to face the reality of abortion and what it does to the unborn and their mothers, and abortion-rights groups work tirelessly to hide the facts.\u00a0 If \u201ctruth often becomes casualty\u201d by our fault as oh-so-misinformed anti-choicers, why not show us all up with your proof that abortion doesn\u2019t actually end the life of a living, growing, developing unborn human being?\u00a0 You show me that, and boom, I\u2019ll become pro-choice.<\/p>\n

    My guess is that this group would find a demonstration on fetal development to be a \u201cslick presentation\u201d full of \u201cfancy rhetoric.\u201d\u00a0 Factual information seems to get them pretty uneasy since it usually contradicts everything they stand for.<\/p>\n

    If abortion-rights groups thought they had even a slight chance of winning a debate with logic, reason, and science, they would be the ones trying to organize public discussions with pro-lifers.\u00a0 I guess that\u2019s kind of hard to do when science and reasoning aren\u2019t on your side, though.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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