{"id":50301,"date":"2014-07-09T13:54:41","date_gmt":"2014-07-09T17:54:41","guid":{"rendered":"\/news\/?p=50301"},"modified":"2014-08-18T12:48:54","modified_gmt":"2014-08-18T16:48:54","slug":"george-tillers-successor-says-abortion-law-should-not-be-decided-by-the-public","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/archive.liveaction.org\/news\/george-tillers-successor-says-abortion-law-should-not-be-decided-by-the-public\/","title":{"rendered":"George Tiller&#8217;s successor says abortion law should not be decided by the public"},"content":{"rendered":"<div style=\"margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;\" class=\"sharethis-inline-share-buttons\" ><\/div><p>Murdered in 2009 by anti-abortion fanatic Scott Roeder, Kansas late-term abortionist George Tiller has since been immortalized by pro-aborts as a rhetorical cudgel to\u00a0slander peaceful pro-life Americans as condoning and enabling violence\u00a0(a standard they would naturally take great umbrage at\u00a0if pro-lifers blamed their entire movement for\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/www.sba-list.org\/suzy-b-blog\/putting-pro-life-%E2%80%9Cviolence%E2%80%9D-perspective\">violence committed by individuals on their side<\/a>).<\/p>\n<p><em>Salon\u2019s<\/em> Katie McDonough <a href=\"http:\/\/www.salon.com\/2014\/05\/30\/his_murder_did_not_stop_us_meet_the_women_keeping_george_tillers_legacy_alive_in_wichita\/\">interviewed<\/a>\u00a0abortionist Cheryl Chastine, the current medical director of Tiller\u2019s former clinic, about \u201chonor[ing] his memory by providing fearless care for Kansans\u201d:<!--more--><\/p>\n<p><strong>On pro-life laws requiring Chastine to give her patients \u201cinformation that is intended to mislead them\u201d:<\/strong><\/p>\n<blockquote><p>It feels like there\u2019s a third party in the exam room that doesn&#8217;t belong there, and I\u2019m very clear with patients when I tell them that. I tell them, \u2018The state wants me to tell you this. They also you to do this.\u2019 I don\u2019t try to hide the intrusion. I make sure that they know so that they can understand how their care is being influenced by unnecessary legislation. And that that\u2019s not the care that I want to give them.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>And just how misleading is this \u201cintrusion\u201d? Sadly, Chastine doesn&#8217;t specify which lies the law allegedly mandates, but during the 2013 debate over HB 2253, Kansas for Life\u2019s Kathy Ostrowski <a href=\"https:\/\/kansansforlife.wordpress.com\/2013\/02\/25\/abortion-lobbys-errors-and-deceit-about-ks-pro-life-bill\/\">debunked<\/a> a litany of them\u2014particularly, that abortion is indeed linked to future premature births, and, most ironically, that Planned Parenthood itself actually concedes the law\u2019s contention that carrying a pregnancy to term reduces one\u2019s risk of breast cancer.<\/p>\n<p>Anyway, the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.hodesnauser.com\/informed_consent_notice\/\">summary<\/a> posted by the <em>pro-choice<\/em>\u00a0Overland Park, KS Center for Women\u2019s Health seems perfectly reasonable\u2014a description of the method, risks of both abortion <em>and delivery<\/em>, and the humanity, anatomy, and the development level of the procedure\u2019s victim. Abortionists must also provide patients this <a href=\"http:\/\/www.hodesnauser.com\/forms\/if_you_are_pregnant_handbook.pdf\">handbook<\/a>, this <a href=\"http:\/\/www.hodesnauser.com\/forms\/directory_of_services.pdf\">directory<\/a> of alternate pregnancy, adoption, childbirth, and parenting services in Kansas, and the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.womansrighttoknow.org\/\">link<\/a> to a state webpage compiling the information and displaying fetal development video.<\/p>\n<p>Further, it\u2019s absurdly disingenuous to talk as if a \u201cthird party in the exam room\u201d is somehow unique to abortion when <a href=\"http:\/\/healthcare.findlaw.com\/patient-rights\/understanding-informed-consent-a-primer.html\">informed<\/a> <a href=\"http:\/\/www.hg.org\/informed-consent-law.html\">consent laws<\/a> are a common accepted reality in real medical fields. And if the requirements for abortionists are more stringent, it\u2019s only because their industry has <a href=\"\/news\/live-action-launches-campaign-to-defund-planned-parenthood-after-documenting-years-of-abuse\/\">repeatedly proven<\/a> it can\u2019t be trusted to be honest with patients.<\/p>\n<p><strong>On mandatory 24-hour waiting periods for obtaining an abortion:<\/strong><\/p>\n<blockquote><p>That\u2019s extremely frustrating, because it doesn&#8217;t allow me to provide the best care for my patients. I mean, I know \u2014 and I tell the patients \u2014 that you have thought through this decision. You went to all of the work associated with making the appointment and getting here and arranging childcare and all of that. And so, I trust you as a moral decision-maker, and I\u2019m sorry that the state doesn&#8217;t do the same.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Ah yes, because whether something is\u00a0objectively evil depends on\u00a0how hard someone thinks it over before doing it. Chastine, rightly, would never tolerate anyone defending Roeder on the grounds that he had \u201cthought through this decision\u201d to shoot Tiller, that he therefore deserved trust \u201cas a moral decision-maker.\u201d So why is that logic valid when she applies it to the killings she prefers?<\/p>\n<p>But even putting that aside, this incessant presumption that everyone seeking an abortion has, almost <em>definitionally<\/em>, adequately researched and objectively scrutinized all the relevant scientific and ethical factors is pure, self-serving pandering. It&#8217;s a generalization no more substantive\u00a0than a commercial gushing over how sophisticated its product\u2019s users are.<\/p>\n<p>This is another classic example of pro-aborts holding abortion to a completely different standard than legitimate medical practices, even as they dogmatically chant \u201chealth care\u201d as a euphemism for it. The fact that most of us\u00a0<i>aren&#8217;t<\/i>\u00a0experts in the many, many procedures we may undergo\u00a0is precisely why we need doctors in the first place. Yet there\u2019s something horrible about presuming abortion-seekers don\u2019t necessarily know everything important there is to know on the subject?<\/p>\n<p>Further, Chastine\u2019s criteria for a qualified abortion-seeker are laughable. Managing to schedule an appointment, get yourself there, and find a babysitter for while you\u2019re busy somehow demonstrates that you\u2019re qualified to decide if your unborn son or daughter needs to die? Seriously? We\u2019re setting the bar for absolute dominion over life and death <em>that<\/em> low? If Chastine and McDonough meant to demonstrate the abortion industry\u2019s competence, then offering this as a logical line of thought wasn&#8217;t a smart move.<\/p>\n<p><strong>On what\u2019s missing from the \u201creproductive justice movement\u2019s\u201d messaging:<\/strong><\/p>\n<blockquote><p>The people who are having abortions and people who give birth are not different people; they are the same people. And they make both of those decisions with their full moral decision-making capacity and for the same reasons. They make those decisions because they want to give the best love and care to a potential child that they can.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>\u2026by killing his or her siblings.<\/p>\n<p>Show of hands, readers: any of you under the impression that people who abort never\u00a0also have wanted pregnancies? I\u2019m not. In fact, I don\u2019t think I&#8217;ve ever heard a pro-lifer make that claim. But then, it\u2019s not a claim so much as yet another offering to pro-aborts\u2019 insatiable hunger for straw-man arguments.<\/p>\n<p><strong>On Kansas \u201cmounting attack after attack on access\u201d:<\/strong><\/p>\n<blockquote><p>I am very, very terrified of the rollback in access to reproductive healthcare. I\u2019m very concerned that this may be upheld because the people who suffer from this are the most vulnerable in our society and the most voiceless. I\u2019m afraid that political decisions will be made, the consequences of which we won\u2019t realize until it\u2019s too late, until people have been harmed and have died. So often the people affected by these decisions are not the ones making the decisions at the political level.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>My, that\u2019s an interesting way of putting it, considering you might as well have just described abortion itself. Those being aborted <em>are<\/em> \u201cthe most vulnerable in our society and the most voiceless,\u201d completely unable to \u201cmak[e] the decisions at the political level\u201d to spare their lives. And ensuring people \u201cwon\u2019t realize until it\u2019s too late\u201d the decision\u2019s consequences is <em><a href=\"\/news\/former-clinic-counselor-we-would-find-womens-weaknesses-and-work-on-them\/\">your industry&#8217;s business model<\/a>. <\/em>It\u2019s your motive for deceiving your patients\u2014or more accurately, customers\u2014about <a href=\"http:\/\/thefederalist.com\/2014\/05\/19\/the-washington-post-is-super-confused-about-where-babies-come-from\/\">embryology<\/a> and <a href=\"\/news\/when-do-humans-begin-to-feel-pain\/\">fetal development<\/a>, for withholding from them key information on abortion\u2019s risks and then demonizing those of us who try to compensate your customers for your willful negligence.<\/p>\n<p>In short, it\u2019s not the women who go to you we don\u2019t trust. It\u2019s you.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>And even if they are. I have taken care of many, many, many, many women who have voted for politicians who have tried to make abortion illegal and unavailable and yet find themselves very thankful that they\u2019re able to access those services. And so I think that this is a matter that needs to not be up for popular vote, and yet, here we are.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>And there you have it: democracy, the fact that we live in a free society where conscientious men and women can organize and cast votes to protect our young from Cheryl Chastine&#8217;s industry, is the ultimate problem.<\/p>\n<p>Democracy\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/www.lozierinstitute.org\/momentum-for-late-term-abortion-limits\/\">ended late-term abortion in Kansas<\/a>,\u00a0\u00a0and eventually, it\u00a0will ultimately\u00a0end the \u00a0deceit and exploitation\u00a0throughout the rest of the country.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Murdered in 2009 by anti-abortion fanatic Scott Roeder, Kansas late-term abortionist George Tiller has since been immortalized by pro-aborts as a rhetorical cudgel to\u00a0slander peaceful pro-life Americans as condoning and enabling violence\u00a0(a standard they would naturally take great umbrage at\u00a0if pro-lifers blamed their entire movement for\u00a0violence committed by individuals on their side). 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