{"id":47082,"date":"2014-03-06T23:32:06","date_gmt":"2014-03-07T04:32:06","guid":{"rendered":"\/news\/?p=47082"},"modified":"2014-03-06T23:32:38","modified_gmt":"2014-03-07T04:32:38","slug":"i-am-afraid-of-this-indisputable-pro-choice-argument","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/archive.liveaction.org\/news\/i-am-afraid-of-this-indisputable-pro-choice-argument\/","title":{"rendered":"I am afraid of this indisputable pro-choice argument"},"content":{"rendered":"<div style=\"margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;\" class=\"sharethis-inline-share-buttons\" ><\/div><p><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"alignright size-medium wp-image-16368\" style=\"margin: 15px;\" alt=\"write, research, law, critique\" src=\"\/news\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/05\/dreamstimefree_11662122-300x200.jpg\" width=\"300\" height=\"200\" srcset=\"https:\/\/archive.liveaction.org\/news\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/05\/dreamstimefree_11662122-300x200.jpg 300w, https:\/\/archive.liveaction.org\/news\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/05\/dreamstimefree_11662122-1024x682.jpg 1024w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/>I took the bait.<\/p>\n<p>I couldn\u2019t help but open an email with the subject line: \u201cYou\u2019re afraid of this pro-choice argument\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Afraid? I\u2019m afraid of a lot of things. Actually, five things: spiders, asteroids, ghosts, head lice, and malaria. But arguments? Especially pro-abortion arguments? Definitely not on the list.<\/p>\n<p>I might be frustrated by them; annoyed, angered, even disturbed, but afraid? I don\u2019t think so.<\/p>\n<p>Here\u2019s Rachel, trying to strike fear into my heart:<\/p>\n<p><em>Dear Matt, ever since I first read your blog I knew you were a cowardly fake. It wasn\u2019t until I started reading some of your anti-choice articles that my suspicions were truly confirmed. You spend a lot of time picking the low hanging fruit. You attack the weakest abortion rights arguments while ignoring the glaring weaknesses in your own position. <\/em><\/p>\n<p><!--more-->If you had the guts or the brains you\u2019d try to respond to the most important abortion rights argument\u2026 bodily autonomy or bodily integrity. This means that we have the final jurisdiction over our own bodies. Nobody can claim a right to our body that goes above our own right. Nobody can use our bodies without consent. We cannot be forced to donate organs or blood to someone else. A fetus must survive on a woman\u2019s body so the woman has a right to withdrawal her consent and her body at any time.<\/p>\n<p>This is the pro-choice argument that no anti-choice fanatic\u2026 especially one as stubborn and simpleminded as you\u2026 could ever possibly dispute. If you still don\u2019t understand, try to imagine this hypothetical\u2026<\/p>\n<p>Imagine that you wake up one morning in a hospital bed. In the bed next to you is a famous singer. He is unconscious and all of these tubes are connected from him to you. A doctor comes in and explains that the singer became sick and you are the only person with the right blood type to match his. They need you to remain hooked up to him until he recovers\u2026 they tell you it should only take nine months. Until then, he needs to use all of your organs\u2026 your kidneys, liver, lungs, everything\u2026 just to survive. If you unplug yourself, he will die. So do you think you are obligated to stay plugged in? Does he have a right to live off of you like this? Should you be FORCED to stay connected to him?<\/p>\n<p>That\u2019s what situation the pregnant woman is in. Instead of harping on all of these irrelevant issues, I wish you\u2019d be brave enough to address it from this angle. It is immoral to require a woman to sustain a fetus and it is moral for a woman to make a decision with her body based on what is right for her. How can you argue against this?<\/p>\n<p>But I guess your blog is more about preaching to the choir than actually being intelligent and bold in your writing. What a shame.<\/p>\n<p><em>-Rachel<\/em><\/p>\n<p>Here\u2019s my answer:<\/p>\n<p>Dear Rachel,<\/p>\n<p>You\u2019re right. You win. I have no response. I can\u2019t think of any reason why you\u2019re wrong about any of the points you raised.<\/p>\n<p>Well, I can\u2019t think of any reason \u2014 except for, like, ten reasons. So I\u2019ll start with five reasons why that hypothetical is flawed, and move on to five additional reasons why your overall argument is flawed.<\/p>\n<p>Here we go:<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"alignright size-medium wp-image-40080\" style=\"margin: 15px;\" alt=\"baby, womb, pregnant, woman\" src=\"\/news\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/08\/6655b78c9aa2e0d19a361856b0c19d08-300x257.jpg\" width=\"300\" height=\"257\" \/>1. <strong>Your analogy is flawed because it presupposes that the relationship between mother and child is no more significant, and carries with it no more responsibility, than the relationship between a person and some random stranger in a hospital bed<\/strong>.<\/p>\n<p>This is absurd. If we\u2019re trying to make this hypothetical as close to pregnancy as possible, shouldn\u2019t the sick singer (or violinist, according to the original iteration of this hypothetical) at least be your child? Your argument doesn\u2019t work because the fact that your child is <em>your child<\/em>, and not some strange adult from across town, is precisely the point. Hidden cleverly in this hypothetical is the insinuation that one cannot agree that an unborn child has a right to his mother\u2019s body, without agreeing that <em>anyone<\/em> in the entire world, in any context, for any reason, at any point, for any period of time, has a right to a woman\u2019s body.<\/p>\n<p>Nice try, Rachel.<\/p>\n<p>Just because a mother is expected to be a mother doesn\u2019t mean she\u2019s also expected to be a slave, a prostitute, and a forced organ donor to talented musical artists. Indeed, the extent of our responsibility to a person hinges in many ways on our relationship to them. You would, I assume, agree that you have a responsibility to your born children, wouldn\u2019t you? And your responsibility to them extends far beyond your responsibility to your neighbor, or your plumber, or your trash collector, doesn\u2019t it? The relationship matters. Your hypothetical fails because it pretends that relationships are irrelevant.<\/p>\n<p>2. <strong>Your analogy is flawed because it leaves out an important detail: how did the singer become ill in the first place?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Aside from cases of rape, a child is only conceived because two people intentionally committed a particular act which has, literally billions of times, resulted in the conception of a human life.<\/p>\n<p>This singer came down with a terrible sickness. You might feel pity for him, but you didn\u2019t cause him to be sick. You didn\u2019t put him in this state. You had absolutely nothing to do with it. The same cannot be said when a child is conceived.<\/p>\n<p>3. <strong>Your analogy is flawed because, when framed properly, it doesn\u2019t strengthen your moral position \u2014 it defeats it. <\/strong><\/p>\n<p>The hypothetical should be this: your <em>own child<\/em> becomes very sick <em>because of something you did<\/em>. He needs a blood transfusion and you are the only match. Would you refuse to give him your blood because it infringes on your bodily autonomy? Could this be morally justified? You put your kid in the hospital and now you will choose to watch him die because he \u2018doesn\u2019t have a right to your blood.\u2019 THIS scenario would be the closest to abortion. And, if you are consistent in your affinity for \u2018bodily autonomy,\u2019 you could not criticize parents who\u2019d rather let their child die than be inconvenienced by a blood transfusion.<\/p>\n<p>4. <strong>But, no matter how you frame the hypothetical, it is still flawed because it ignores one crucial thing: natural order.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>An unborn child is exactly where he is supposed to be. He couldn\u2019t possibly be anywhere else. This is the fundamental difference between two people hooked up to machines on a hospital bed, and a \u2018fetus\u2019 connected to his mother insider her womb. The former represents unnatural and extraordinary measures, while the latter represents something natural and ordinary. The unborn child is where Nature (or God, as I call Him) intends it to be.<\/p>\n<p>The unborn child is not, in any scientific or medical sense, an intruder or a parasite. These words have meanings, and unborn babies do not fit the bill. They are where they are supposed to be. They are where they belong. A fish belongs in water, just as an unborn child belongs in his mother\u2019s womb.<\/p>\n<p>5. <strong>Beyond all of these points, the analogy is flawed because abortion is not the same as \u2018unplugging\u2019 a person from medical equipment.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>It might be quite sanitary and pleasant to refer to abortion as a woman \u2018withdrawing support\u2019 from her child, but the procedure goes beyond this. During a \u2018termination,\u2019 the baby is actively killed. It is crushed, dismembered, poisoned, or torn apart. It is killed. It is actively, actually, purposefully, intentionally killed.<\/p>\n<p>In fact, even in the original hypothetical \u2014 where you\u2019re hooked up to a singer in a hospital bed \u2014 while it would be acceptable to unplug yourself, it would NOT be morally or legally permissible to shoot the poor guy in the head. A person\u2019s physical reliance on you does not give you the moral (or legal, usually) right to murder them. \u2018Withdrawing support\u2019 is precisely what an abortion <em>isn\u2019t<\/em>. If it was, then the baby would be delivered and left to die in the corner of the room. Of course, this <em>is<\/em> how some abortionists conduct business, but it\u2019s illegal. If they\u2019re caught, they go to jail.<\/p>\n<p>6. <strong>But the bodily autonomy argument is flawed in ways that go beyond that utterly fallacious and misleading hypothetical. It\u2019s flawed because nobody is crazy enough to consistently apply it to pregnant women.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>According to bodily autonomy, a mother could not be judged harshly for smoking, drinking, doing coke, and going skydiving (hopefully not all in the same day) while 6 months pregnant. If you really believe that a woman\u2019s body is autonomous \u2014 that she has absolute jurisdiction over it \u2014 then you <em>must<\/em> defend a mother who does things that could seriously harm her unborn child, even if she hasn\u2019t chosen to abort it. This is not a slippery slope argument; this is a reasonable and inevitable application of your principle.<\/p>\n<div id=\"attachment_36886\" style=\"width: 276px\" class=\"wp-caption alignright\"><img aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-36886\" decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"size-full wp-image-36886\" alt=\"20 week old unborn child - when many states still allow abortion\" src=\"\/news\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/06\/20-weeks-pregnant-baby.jpg\" width=\"266\" height=\"265\" srcset=\"https:\/\/archive.liveaction.org\/news\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/06\/20-weeks-pregnant-baby.jpg 266w, https:\/\/archive.liveaction.org\/news\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/06\/20-weeks-pregnant-baby-150x150.jpg 150w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 266px) 100vw, 266px\" \/><p id=\"caption-attachment-36886\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">20 week old unborn child &#8211; when many states still allow abortion<\/p><\/div>\n<p>7. <strong>The bodily autonomy argument is flawed because it requires you to support abortion at every stage of development.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>I\u2019m throwing this in here because most pro-aborts will not (vocally) defend abortion at 8 or 9 months. But \u2014 if bodily autonomy is your claim \u2014 you must. Is a woman\u2019s body less autonomous when she\u2019s been pregnant for 35 weeks? There is no way around it: bodily autonomy means that it is moral to kill a fully formed baby, at seven months, or eight months, or nine months.<\/p>\n<p>8. <strong>The bodily autonomy argument is flawed because you can\u2019t limit it to pregnant women.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>You say that our bodies cannot be \u2018used\u2019 without our \u2018consent.\u2019 Why should this apply only to pregnancy and organ donations? Children, at any age, create profound demands on their parents\u2019 bodies. Whether it\u2019s waking up in the middle of the night for the crying baby, working long hours to pay for their food and clothing, carrying them around when they cannot walk, staying home when you\u2019d like to go out, going out (to bring them to the doctor, or school, or soccer practice) when you\u2019d like to stay in, etc, etc, etc, and so forth. An argument for absolute bodily autonomy means that it can\u2019t be illegal, or considered immoral, for a parent to decline to do any of these things, so long as their decision was made in the name of bodily autonomy.<\/p>\n<p>9. <strong>The bodily autonomy argument is flawed because it necessarily justifies things like public masturbation.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>If I can \u2018do what I want with my body,\u2019 then it becomes very difficult to launch a salient moral or legal attack against a man who chooses to sit in a playground in front of children and pleasure his own body.<\/p>\n<p>10. <strong>Finally, the bodily autonomy argument is flawed because our bodies are not autonomous.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>I\u2019m often accused of oversimplifying, but I\u2019ve never oversimplified to the extent of you bodily autonomy proponents. Once we\u2019ve considered every complexity and nuance, we can rightly say that our bodies are autonomous in some ways, and in some circumstances, but not in others. We cannot say that they are absolutely autonomous, and I find it hard to believe that anyone truly thinks that.<\/p>\n<p>Any claim or responsibility placed on me, automatically includes a claim and responsibility on my body. Everything I do involves my body. I <em>am<\/em> my body. CS Lewis would say that I am my soul and I <em>have<\/em> a body. I agree with him, but for our purposes in this discussion, leaving souls and spirits aside, we are our bodies. Whether we are expected to pay taxes or drive the speed limit or provide a safe and sanitary home for our children, we are using our bodies to meet these expectations. We experience and participate in life with our bodies. Absolute bodily autonomy is inexorably linked with personal autonomy. If my body is autonomous, my person must be autonomous, and if my person is autonomous, then my very existence is autonomous, and if my very existence is autonomous, then it is simply unacceptable and (by your logic) immoral for anyone to expect me to do anything for anyone at any point for any reason.<\/p>\n<p>If you concede that we ought to be expected or even required to do certain things, then you are placing limits on our bodily autonomy. If you place limits on our bodily autonomy, then you are admitting that limits <em>can<\/em> be placed on our bodily autonomy. If you are admitting that limits can be placed on our bodily autonomy, then you must consider whether abortion falls within or outside of those limits. And here\u2019s the rub: if you contend that abortion falls within the limits on bodily autonomy, you must justify that belief <em>beyond simply reasserting our right to bodily autonomy<\/em>.<\/p>\n<p>Personally, I think that abortion goes well beyond the limits on bodily autonomy, for all of the reasons I\u2019ve previously stipulated.<\/p>\n<p>There\u2019s your answer, Rachel.<\/p>\n<p>But, except for the ten reasons why you\u2019re wrong, you\u2019re right on the money.<\/p>\n<p>And, except for the ten answers I\u2019ve provided, I have no answers for you.<\/p>\n<p>I guess you win.<\/p>\n<p>Thanks for writing.<\/p>\n<p><em>Editor&#8217;s Note: This article was first published on <a href=\"http:\/\/themattwalshblog.com\/\">The Matt Walsh Blog<\/a> on March 4, 2014, and is reprinted with permission.<\/em><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>I took the bait. 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