{"id":33610,"date":"2013-04-18T22:36:53","date_gmt":"2013-04-19T02:36:53","guid":{"rendered":"\/news\/?p=33610"},"modified":"2013-05-05T14:26:37","modified_gmt":"2013-05-05T18:26:37","slug":"fallacy-of-the-day-frozen-embryos-in-a-burning-building","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/archive.liveaction.org\/news\/fallacy-of-the-day-frozen-embryos-in-a-burning-building\/","title":{"rendered":"Fallacy of the Day: Frozen embryos in a burning building"},"content":{"rendered":"<div style=\"margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;\" class=\"sharethis-inline-share-buttons\" ><\/div><p><a href=\"\/news\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/02\/house-on-fire.jpg\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"alignright size-medium wp-image-30203\" alt=\"house on fire\" src=\"\/news\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/02\/house-on-fire-300x225.jpg\" width=\"300\" height=\"225\" srcset=\"https:\/\/archive.liveaction.org\/news\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/02\/house-on-fire-300x225.jpg 300w, https:\/\/archive.liveaction.org\/news\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/02\/house-on-fire-1024x768.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/archive.liveaction.org\/news\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/02\/house-on-fire.jpg 1280w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a>Argue with enough pro-aborts, and you\u2019ll get the distinct impression that (ideologically, at least) they lead fairly sheltered lives. Often their zest for the \u201cright to choose\u201d and contempt for those who oppose it doesn\u2019t quite match their level of familiarity with their opponents\u2019 arguments or the deficiencies of their own case. Because they\u2019ve never been exposed to significant amounts of contrary thought and have only had their views reinforced rather than put through a genuine critical gauntlet, they develop a false sense of confidence in the sophistication and infallibility of their case.<\/p>\n<p>I found this called to mind by a recent exchange with a particularly zealous commenter who, in what he seemed to think was an ingenious trump card, posed the following thought experiment:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Setup: House with two rooms. In the first room are (100) human embryos ready for implantation into women. In the second room are (2) six month old human born babies. The house is on fire. As a consequence, you only have enough time to enter one of the rooms and save its contents.<\/p>\n<p>Question: Which room will you enter?<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>The idea is to trap the pro-lifer between two nauseating options. If we save the embryos, we seem like monsters for dooming infants (or children, or elderly people; there are a lot of variants out there) to a fiery death. If we pick the babies, we\u2019re supposedly demonstrating that we don\u2019t <em>really<\/em> see embryos as full people after all.<\/p>\n<p>Thus, pro-aborts rub their hands together in glee, like a supervillain who\u2019s certain that his <a href=\"http:\/\/tvtropes.org\/pmwiki\/pmwiki.php\/Main\/DeathTrap\">ultimate death trap<\/a> will finally vanquish his nemesis. However, also like a supervillain, their overconfidence has blinded them to the holes in their master plan.<\/p>\n<p>For the record, the question <a href=\"http:\/\/lti-blog.blogspot.com\/search?q=embryos+fire\">actually<\/a> <a href=\"http:\/\/www.jillstanek.com\/stem-cell\/rescued-embryo.html\">isn\u2019t<\/a> <a href=\"http:\/\/www.prolifeblogs.com\/articles\/archives\/2006\/05\/roasted_embryo.php\">new<\/a> <a href=\"http:\/\/jivinjehoshaphat.blogspot.com\/2007\/09\/fire-in-fertility-clinic-again.html \">to<\/a> <a href=\"http:\/\/www.ncbcenter.org\/Page.aspx?pid=307\">pro-lifers<\/a>. <a href=\"http:\/\/www.apologeticalliance.com\/blog\/2012\/08\/22\/thought-experiment-the-burning-ivf-facility\/\">Not<\/a> <a href=\"http:\/\/www.ncbcenter.org\/page.aspx?pid=1305\">by a<\/a> <a href=\"http:\/\/prolifemn.blogspot.com\/2010\/04\/do-we-really-think-embryos-are-people.html \">long shot<\/a>. Personally, I was still in high school when it was first posed to me. We know that heart-string-tugging isn\u2019t logical force, and we find the Burning Clinic Fallacy\u2019s logic wanting.<\/p>\n<p>First, note that it\u2019s an appeal to personal intuition, not objective reason. It\u2019s hinged on the questioner\u2019s hope to stymie his opponent&#8217;s instincts, not his knowledge. Regardless of what one\u2019s answer is, it does not change the <a href=\"\/news\/no-equivocation-necessary-a-response-to-nros-avik-roy-on-when-life-begins\/\">empirically indisputable reality<\/a> that an embryo is alive and human in every way that science defines individual life and membership in Club <em>Homo sapiens<\/em>. It introduces no information about biology. It offers no claim about natural-rights theory or insight into metaphysics. So even if the challenge were to expose something about the person doing the saving, it would demonstrate nothing about the people in need of saving.<\/p>\n<p>Second, there is a tremendous logical gulf between the respect our rights deserve and our obligations in an emergency. The latter forces on us numerous circumstances and considerations with no implications for the former &#8211; particularly with the added qualifier that someone\u2019s rescue must come at the expense of another\u2019s. Further, in the scenario, we haven\u2019t violated anyone\u2019s rights &#8211; we didn\u2019t start the fire that threatens their lives, and as the <a href=\"\/news\/parenthood-responsibility-and-bodily-autonomy\/ \">bodily autonomy absolutists<\/a> are so fond of reminding us, there\u2019s a principled difference between abstaining from harm and providing aid. Essentially, the Burning Clinic Fallacy confuses being a Good Samaritan with <em>not being<\/em> an aggressor.<\/p>\n<p>When events have crossed the rights bridge for us and forced us to find partial solutions to immediate harm, it&#8217;s legitimate to act on factors other than pure natural-rights theory to prevent as much suffering as we can. There could be any number of such reasons to choose the infants &#8211; the frozen embryos would likely die anyway when disposed of later, beyond our control; the infants would suffer horrible pain, and the embryos wouldn\u2019t; or the infants\u2019 deaths would massively traumatize their families.<\/p>\n<p><strong>(UPDATE, 4\/20\/13)<\/strong> It&#8217;s also worth noting that, as <a href=\"http:\/\/lti-blog.blogspot.com\/2008\/12\/burning-research-lab-part-4999999-sk.html\">Melinda Penner does (via Scott Klusendorf)<\/a>, there could be reasons to make the opposite choice, too:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Now new variable could be introduced to the dilemma that change that survival calculation &#8211; a lab nearby could keep the embryos in their optimum condition, the baby has a terminal disease, etc. There are circumstances where I&#8217;d choose the embryos. But it&#8217;s that issue of survival that determines the choice, not that deep down I think one is really more valuable than the other one. So the dilemma just doesn&#8217;t prove anything.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Even so, it would not logically follow that the embryos have no right to life or that intentionally killing them would be just. The question here is which decision would cause the most suffering, not who has more rights. For the same reasons, one could legitimately choose to save an awake, pain-feeling patient over patients in comas or afflicted with <a href=\"http:\/\/www.diseasesdatabase.com\/umlsdef.asp?glngUserChoice=31214\">congenital pain insensitivity<\/a>: not because the former are more human or more valuable, but because they would suffer more. <strong>(End of Updated Section)<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Indeed, we could make an endless list of such harrowing choices, none of which would legitimize murdering any of their participants. Let\u2019s say one room is full of middle-aged strangers and the other holds your daughter. Or a young, healthy stranger vs. an old, terminally ill one. Or the president of the United States vs. Ken Lay. Or one of the most loaded examples imaginable, from Ramesh Ponnuru\u2019s quintessential <a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/s\/ref=nb_sb_noss_1?url=search-alias%3Daps&amp;field-keywords=the%20party%20of%20death&amp;sprefix=the+party+of+death%2Caps&amp;rh=i%3Aaps%2Ck%3Athe%20party%20of%20death&amp;ajr=2\"><em>The Party of Death<\/em><\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>You can either rescue a research scientist who is making great strides toward a cure for Alzheimer&#8217;s disease, or rescue four heroin-addicted fifty-eight-year-old men who have spent their lives rotating through the penal system and are likely to continue to do so. Whom do you save?<\/p>\n<p>Let&#8217;s say you save the scientist. Are you therefore saying that it&#8217;s permissible to kill hopeless old addicts? Are you saying that such people do not have the same right not to be killed that the scientist does?<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Indeed, we don\u2019t even have to hypothesize; the real world gives us far less convoluted examples. Doctors sometimes <a href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Triage \">have to prioritize<\/a> among the patients vying for their attention. Civilian casualties are sometimes <a href=\"\/news\/are-non-pacifist-pro-lifers-hypocrites\/ \">unavoidable in warfare<\/a>. President Harry Truman chose to devastate two Japanese cities, killing <a href=\"http:\/\/www.atomicarchive.com\/History\/twocities\/index.shtml \">a minimum of 154,000 innocent people<\/a>, because he deemed it the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.thepublicdiscourse.com\/2011\/12\/4422\/ \">least bloody option<\/a> in the long run. In January, we <a href=\"\/news\/the-auschwitz-abortionists-example-doesnt-demonstrate-what-pro-choicers-want\/\">discussed<\/a> the unique challenge facing &#8220;Auschwitz Abortionist&#8221; Gisella Perl.<\/p>\n<p>But in every last one of these scenarios, from the IFV clinic to Hiroshima, the necessity of choosing anyone\u2019s death is entirely the product of extreme circumstances. Take those away, and you\u2019re left with no authorization to end anyone\u2019s life.<\/p>\n<p>The art of sophistry is to craft an argument that seems impressive, as long as it\u2019s felt rather than analyzed. But like all superficial sleights of hand, all it takes is a little reason to bring it crashing down.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>All it takes is a little reason, and the &#8220;Burning Clinic&#8221; argument comes crashing down.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":54,"featured_media":30203,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"om_disable_all_campaigns":false},"categories":[15],"tags":[],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v20.7 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/wordpress\/plugins\/seo\/ -->\n<title>Fallacy of the Day: Frozen embryos in a burning building - Live Action News<\/title>\n<meta name=\"robots\" content=\"index, follow, max-snippet:-1, max-image-preview:large, max-video-preview:-1\" \/>\n<link rel=\"canonical\" href=\"https:\/\/archive.liveaction.org\/news\/fallacy-of-the-day-frozen-embryos-in-a-burning-building\/\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:locale\" content=\"en_US\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:type\" content=\"article\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:title\" content=\"Fallacy of the Day: Frozen embryos in a burning building - Live Action News\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:description\" content=\"All it takes is a little reason, and the &quot;Burning Clinic&quot; 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