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In the article “Conscious Abortion: Engaging the Fetus in a Compassionate Dialogue” in the Journal of Prenatal and Perinatal Psychology and Health, <\/em>psychologist Claudette Nantel encourages women to communicate with their baby before an abortion, tell them how much they love them, say goodbye, and even get their child\u2019s permission<\/em> for the abortion.<\/p>\n

Really.<\/p>\n

Nantel admits the baby\u2019s humanity, defining \u201cfetus\u201d as \u201can unborn baby in its mother’s womb, at any time from conception to birth.”1<\/sup><\/p>\n

“A heart-to-heart conversation”<\/strong><\/p>\n

\u201cConscious abortion\u201d hinges on the belief that the baby in the womb can \u201chear\u201d and understand the woman\u2019s thoughts and even telepathically communicate back.\u00a0Family doctor G McGarey suggested2<\/sup> that someone having an abortion should have \u201ca heart-to-heart conversation with her baby in the womb, explaining how this is not a good time for her to raise a child, reassuring them that they are deeply loved.\u201d3<\/sup><\/p>\n

According to McGarey, it\u2019s important for women to make sure their babies know they love them… before they have them dismembered or poisoned<\/em>.\u00a0McGarey has guided women through the process and says many of her colleagues use it.<\/p>\n

Several other counselors tell women with unwanted pregnancies to ask their baby to leave the womb. PH Fairfield instructs the following: “With deep love and concern, ask [the baby] to leave. Let yourself feel the divine love and connection with them, then tell them that it is not time for them to come in, or that you would like them to come back at a later time.”4\u00a0<\/sup>It is hoped, then, the baby will choose to leave, and the woman will miscarry. If not, then they believe abortion is needed to complete the process.<\/p>\n

Another practitioner, M Axness, says women having abortions should communicate with the baby \u201cthrough prayer, imagination, art, letter, dance, song \u2013 a level of communication with the newly arrived being in their wombs through which they explain to the baby that it isn’t the right time for him or her to come and that it is necessary to separate.\u201d5<\/sup><\/p>\n

Ask for consent and wait for “a response of agreement”<\/strong><\/p>\n

HH Watkins has women with unwanted pregnancies ask the baby to consent to the abortion. The child, according to Watkins and Nantel, will then telepathically communicate to the mother that they agree to be aborted.\u00a0Watkins instructs women to:<\/p>\n

visualize the fetus, express their conflict about the pregnancy, then wait for a response (feeling, hearing, and seeing). The women were encouraged to repeat this exercise at home, and when\/if they felt a response of agreement from the fetus, to visualize the fetus leaving their body.6<\/sup><\/em><\/p>\n

She says this leads the women to have \u201ca deeper sense of self, more respect for life, and positive feelings about a better-timed future pregnancy through the process of dialogue with their baby.\u201d7 <\/sup>Presumably, all these blessings will come after the abortion.<\/p>\n

Nearly every time Watkins did this exercise, the mother allegedly \u201cheard\u201d the baby agree to be aborted. Obviously, this was what they wanted<\/em> to \u201chear.\u201d Under Watkins\u2019 influence, the women convinced themselves their babies accepted being aborted. All of the babies \u201cconsented\u201d to their violent deaths \u2013 except one.<\/p>\n

One woman \u201cheard\u201d the child say no.<\/p>\n

After getting this \u201canswer,\u201d the woman responded, \u201cYou don’t mean that?”<\/p>\n

Watkins recalls what happened next:<\/p>\n

\u00a0[She] continued the process of weeping and talking to the fetus at home until there was only silence in response. She concluded the fetus accepted her intended surgical intervention. She began the abortion visualization, but no miscarriage occurred.<\/em><\/p>\n

The surgical intervention was accomplished without complication, healing was rapid, and the client felt little or no remorse. She knew at all levels she had made the appropriate decision for herself.8<\/sup><\/em><\/p>\n

So apparently the baby, by his or her silence, consented to be aborted after all.<\/p>\n

Twisting reality<\/strong><\/p>\n

One woman had three abortions. Of the first child, she said, \u201cI was young and much more centered on myself and my life circumstances than on the baby. I was not really in contact with this baby.”9<\/sup><\/p>\n

But with the other two, \u201cI was able to go inside myself and have an intimate relationship with these two babies.\u201d10<\/sup><\/p>\n

She thinks her children existed for the purpose of telling her to leave the man she was with, and says:<\/p>\n

I never felt I was doing them harm. Just before the abortion for each of them, I asked the lady who showed me the ultrasound screen to give me five minutes alone with the baby, before the intervention.<\/em><\/p>\n

I spoke to each of them in a fluid, soft manner, more like saying, \u2018Thank you, see you later\u2026\u2019 The ultrasound screen conversations were way of recognizing the relationship, expressing my gratitude\u2026<\/em><\/p>\n

It was so clear for me that these two children had not come to me saying, \u2018Let me be born.\u201911<\/sup><\/em><\/p>\n

In this woman\u2019s mind, her babies existed solely for her\u00a0<\/em>– to give her a life lesson. She says, \u201cThese babies helped me, and I acted on what they helped me with. I honored them. And they had a tremendous healing effect on the guilt and angst which I carried a long time during and after my first abortion.\u201d12<\/sup><\/p>\n

After they gave her that lesson, they could be discarded. To avoid guilt, she convinced herself that her children were content to be discarded. After all, they had served their purpose.<\/p>\n

According to her, her aborted babies were \u201cbeings who were my equals, partners in learning.\u201d13<\/sup><\/p>\n

The possibility that these \u201cequals\u201d could have a right to life of their own never occurred to her.<\/p>\n

Note also the euphemism being used in these cases \u2014 \u201cintervention\u201d rather than abortion.<\/p>\n

The phenomenon of \u201cconscious abortion\u201d is about twisting reality to make abortion acceptable, even while admitting it\u2019s killing babies. If doctors, counselors, and women having abortions believe the baby has no objections, they don\u2019t have to feel guilty.<\/p>\n

The article isn\u2019t clear on how widespread the practice of \u201cconscious abortion\u201d is, but quotes multiple practitioners of it, some of whom reveal that their colleagues are doing it as well. The article even quotes a French woman who works in an abortion facility and does this exercise with women before their abortions.\u00a0<\/sup><\/p>\n

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  1. Claudette Nantel “Conscious Abortion: Engaging the Fetus in a Compassionate Dialogue” Journal of Prenatal and Perinatal Psychology and Health<\/em> 35 (2) Summer 2021: 2<\/li>\n
  2. G McGarey Born to Live<\/em> (Inkwell Productions 2008) 59 \u2013 60<\/li>\n
  3. Claudette Nantel “Conscious Abortion\u2026\u201d 10<\/li>\n
  4. PH Fairfield “Conscious Abortion” and the Idea of Abortion Itself” Journal of Prenatal and Perinatal Psychology and Health, 20 (4): 2006:346<\/li>\n
  5. M Axness “To Be or Not to Be: Prenatal Origins of the Existential “Yes” v. The Self Struggle” Journal of Prenatal and Perinatal Psychology and Health<\/em> 31 (2): 155<\/li>\n
  6. Claudette Nantel “Conscious Abortion\u2026\u201d 13<\/li>\n
  7. HH Watkins “Treating the Trauma of Abortion” Journal of Pre-and Perinatal Psychology and Health <\/em>1 (2) 1986: 136<\/li>\n
  8. HH Watkins “Treating the Trauma of Abortion” 137<\/li>\n
  9. Claudette Nantel “Conscious Abortion\u2026\u201d 17<\/li>\n
  10. Ibid., 14<\/li>\n
  11. Ibid., 15<\/li>\n
  12. Ibid.<\/li>\n
  13. Ibid.<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n

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