{"id":20860,"date":"2012-09-09T14:41:25","date_gmt":"2012-09-09T18:41:25","guid":{"rendered":"\/news\/?p=20860"},"modified":"2013-04-04T00:42:59","modified_gmt":"2013-04-04T04:42:59","slug":"tactically-responding-to-a-fallacious-pro-choice-argument","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/archive.liveaction.org\/news\/tactically-responding-to-a-fallacious-pro-choice-argument\/","title":{"rendered":"Tactically responding to a fallacious pro-choice argument"},"content":{"rendered":"<div style=\"margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;\" class=\"sharethis-inline-share-buttons\" ><\/div><p>This is a clip from an episode of\u00a0<em><a href=\"http:\/\/prolifepodcast.net\/\" target=\"_blank\"><strong>Life Report<\/strong><\/a><\/em>\u00a0called \u201c<a href=\"http:\/\/prolifepodcast.net\/2012\/08\/recognizing-and-defeating-logical-fallacies\/\" target=\"_blank\">Recognizing and Defeating Logical Fallacies<\/a>.\u201d In this clip, I asked Trent Horn\u00a0about tactically responding to fallacious pro-choice arguments. <a href=\"http:\/\/prolifepodcast.net\/2012\/08\/recognizing-and-defeating-logical-fallacies\/\" target=\"_blank\">Click here<\/a> to\u00a0watch the full interview.<\/p>\n<p>[youtube http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=1ynnQrKsmSw&amp;version=3&amp;hl=en_US]<\/p>\n<p>If you don\u2019t want to watch the 2-minute video, you can read the full transcript below.<\/p>\n<p><strong><a href=\"\/news\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/08\/brain-logical.jpg\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"alignright size-thumbnail wp-image-20148\" style=\"margin: 15px;\" src=\"\/news\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/08\/brain-logical-150x150.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"150\" height=\"150\" \/><\/a>Josh Brahm: OK, let me ask you a more tactical question.\u00a0<\/strong><strong>Let&#8217;s say you&#8217;re in a dialogue with a pro-choice person, and they are committing a logical fallacy. And let&#8217;s say this person&#8217;s not a philosophy major. If you&#8217;re just talking to someone, just a layperson who&#8217;s pro-choice, it seems like it&#8217;s probably not going to be the most effective to say, &#8220;Oh, well you just committed the appeal to pity.&#8221; You know, that&#8217;s probably not going to be very helpful. So what would be a more gracious and tactical way to help show someone that their entire argument is grounded in a logical fallacy?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Trent Horn: Yeah, and I would actually encourage your listeners to not say, &#8220;Oh, you committed this fallacy&#8221; because it&#8217;s terribly presumptuous and arrogant and most people start to really, don&#8217;t appreciate talking to someone that just points out every little fallacy they&#8217;re making. But, rather, what you should do is follow <a href=\"https:\/\/secure2.convio.net\/str\/site\/Ecommerce?VIEW_PRODUCT=true&amp;amp;product_id=7041&amp;amp;store_id=1161\" target=\"_blank\">Greg Koukl&#8217;s tactics<\/a> and JFA training and ask, &#8220;Well, why do you think that? Why do you think abortion should be legal?&#8221; And then continue to ask follow-up questions. &#8220;Why should abortion be legal?&#8221; &#8220;Well, &#8217;cause pro-lifers are just trying to take away women&#8217;s rights. They don&#8217;t care about women. They wouldn&#8217;t even adopt children.&#8221; And then you can establish the point of the ad hominem by asking a question instead. You might ask, &#8220;Well, could a person be a bad person but still be right?&#8221; See, you&#8217;re making the point of the ad hominem by asking a question to illuminate it for someone. So the more you listen and ask for things to get justification for reasoning, you don&#8217;t have to point out the fallacies. The person sees there&#8217;s something wrong with their argument.<\/p>\n<p><em><strong><a href=\"http:\/\/prolifepodcast.net\/\" target=\"_blank\">Life Report<\/a><\/strong>\u00a0trains pro-life people to communicate their views more effectively. Through round-table discussions and interviews with the top experts on the subject, Life Report provides real-world answers to the toughest questions regarding abortion in the 21<sup>st<\/sup>\u00a0century. Follow them on\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/ProLifePodcast\/\" target=\"_blank\">Facebook<\/a>\u00a0or\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/twitter.com\/ProLifePodcast\" target=\"_blank\">Twitter<\/a><\/em>.<\/p>\n<p><em>Special thanks to Nate Amandsun\u00a0for the transcription.<\/em><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Maybe &#8220;you just made a fallacy&#8221; is not the best course of action.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":6,"featured_media":20148,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"om_disable_all_campaigns":false},"categories":[3],"tags":[],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v20.7 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/wordpress\/plugins\/seo\/ -->\n<title>Tactically responding to a fallacious pro-choice argument - Live Action News<\/title>\n<meta name=\"robots\" content=\"index, follow, max-snippet:-1, max-image-preview:large, max-video-preview:-1\" \/>\n<link rel=\"canonical\" href=\"https:\/\/archive.liveaction.org\/news\/tactically-responding-to-a-fallacious-pro-choice-argument\/\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:locale\" content=\"en_US\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:type\" content=\"article\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:title\" content=\"Tactically responding to a fallacious pro-choice argument - Live Action News\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:description\" content=\"Maybe &quot;you just made a fallacy&quot; 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