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(Secular Pro-Life<\/a>)\u00a0Recently the FB group Defund Live Action posted this<\/a>:<\/p>\n

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I can see an argument for avoiding the word “baby” while discussing abortion, but this post is more like “Can we just not discuss the other organism involved in this controversy at all? Can we please only use the euphemisms that keep me comfortable?” This kind of clingy vision tunnel version of pro-choice thought inspired the speech I did<\/a> a couple weeks ago about “the comfortable pro-choice people.”<\/p>\n

READ:\u00a0Article claiming \u201cfetuses aren\u2019t people\u201d reveals pro-choice denial and poor reasoning<\/a><\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n

Not all pro-choice people do this. Plenty will own the fact that abortion kills humans and move to discussions of bodily rights<\/a> or more nuanced discussions of fetal personhood. In particular, abortion providers don’t have the luxury of the above meme’s ridiculous dishonesty. They have to actually work with the blood and body parts. A couple months ago I came across the 2017 paper “Dangertalk: Voices of abortion providers<\/a>.” One of the central themes of the piece was the chasm between pro-choice rhetoric and abortion provider experiences. Providers often feel they can’t be honest about their experiences or various emotions about their work because it would undermine the pro-choice narrative. But when they are free to be blunt, as in this piece, many (not all) providers talk quite frankly about how abortion absolutely is killing. Excerpts:<\/p>\n\n\n\n\n
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From my perspective, elements of the pro-choice side are trying harder all the time to re-frame abortion away from any discussion of fetal death and on to the woman and only<\/i>\u00a0the woman. I don’t believe that strategy will ever really succeed, because they can’t change the reality that human organisms are destroyed in abortion–that’s the point<\/i>\u00a0of abortion. We’ve seen that in recent arguments about late-term abortion, where some abortion rights advocates argue women should have the right to destroy even healthy, viable fetuses for no medical reason (see #7 in 8 common pro-choice claims about late-term abortion<\/a>). As Kelsey [Hazzard, president of Secular Pro-Life] put it in her recent NY Daily News op-ed<\/a>:<\/p>\n

These policies do not vindicate a woman\u2019s right to bodily autonomy. They vindicate a right to a dead baby.<\/i><\/p><\/blockquote>\n

Those who insist abortion has nothing to do with killing are kidding themselves. And every time it underscores to me how difficult it must be for most people to be pro-choice with eyes wide open.<\/p>\n

Editor’s Note: This article was published at Secular Pro-Life<\/a> and is reprinted here with permission.\u00a0<\/em>In addition, despite the ‘Defund Live Action’ Facebook group’s misleading title, Live Action receives no government funding and is supported solely by donations<\/a>.<\/em><\/p>\n

\u201cLike\u201d Live Action News on Facebook<\/a> for more pro-life news and commentary!<\/strong><\/em><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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