{"id":162371,"date":"2017-02-17T14:55:39","date_gmt":"2017-02-17T20:55:39","guid":{"rendered":"\/news\/?p=162371"},"modified":"2024-09-20T12:20:45","modified_gmt":"2024-09-20T17:20:45","slug":"snopes-tries-debunk-planned-parenthood-abortion-quotas-another-sloppy-fact-check","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/archive.liveaction.org\/news\/snopes-tries-debunk-planned-parenthood-abortion-quotas-another-sloppy-fact-check\/","title":{"rendered":"Snopes tries to debunk Planned Parenthood&#8217;s &#8216;abortion quotas&#8217; with another sloppy &#8216;fact check&#8217;"},"content":{"rendered":"<div style=\"margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;\" class=\"sharethis-inline-share-buttons\" ><\/div><p>In a multi-part series, Live Action News will be fact checking the online fact-checker,\u00a0Snopes.com. We will be following the site&#8217;s\u00a0very poorly researched posts regarding Live Action&#8217;s investigations into the abortion corporation, Planned Parenthood. While Snopes <a href=\"http:\/\/www.snopes.com\/about-snopes\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">claims<\/a>\u00a0to be &#8220;one of the World Wide Web\u2019s essential resources&#8221; and &#8220;an online touchstone of rumor research,&#8221; the\u00a0site&#8217;s writers\u00a0appear to be lacking in\u00a0skills when it comes to researching the\u00a0facts about\u00a0Planned Parenthood.<\/p>\n<p>Case in point: Shortly after Live Action released an <a href=\"http:\/\/liveaction.org\/congress-weighs-defund-live-action-releases-video-exposing-planned-parenthood-abortion-quotas\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">expos\u00e9<\/a>\u00a0featuring eyewitness testimony from two former Planned Parenthood employees &#8212; one a center manager, the other a nurse &#8212; revealing that Planned Parenthood required its\u00a0facilities to hit monthly sales quotas for abortions (&#8220;abortion quotas&#8221;), Snopes rushed in to <a href=\"http:\/\/www.snopes.com\/planned-parenthood-abortion-quotas\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">rate<\/a>\u00a0the claim as &#8220;Unproven.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Lack of Valid Sources<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>But in an example of apparent sloppiness,\u00a0a look\u00a0at the section titled &#8220;See Examples&#8221; reveals no external links &#8212; only\u00a0an image Snopes\u00a0uploaded to its\u00a0own site, without background or context. A scroll over the words &#8220;See Examples&#8221; reveals the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.snopes.com\/planned-parenthood-abortion-quotas\/#examples\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">hyperlink<\/a>\u00a0as Snopes in the image below:<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"aligncenter size-large wp-image-162377\" src=\"\/news\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/02\/Snopes-links-to-Snopes-700x52.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"700\" height=\"52\" srcset=\"https:\/\/archive.liveaction.org\/news\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/02\/Snopes-links-to-Snopes-700x52.jpg 700w, https:\/\/archive.liveaction.org\/news\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/02\/Snopes-links-to-Snopes-300x22.jpg 300w, https:\/\/archive.liveaction.org\/news\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/02\/Snopes-links-to-Snopes-768x57.jpg 768w, https:\/\/archive.liveaction.org\/news\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/02\/Snopes-links-to-Snopes-500x37.jpg 500w, https:\/\/archive.liveaction.org\/news\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/02\/Snopes-links-to-Snopes.jpg 1137w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 700px) 100vw, 700px\" \/><\/p>\n<p>The Snopes &#8220;fact checker&#8221; in this case was Kim LaCapria, and it\u00a0wasn&#8217;t exactly clear how she came to her &#8220;unproven&#8221; conclusion. After all, Live Action put two witnesses with first-hand knowledge about Planned Parenthood&#8217;s quotas on the record <em>by name<\/em>, and then published their statements on\u00a0video. In contrast, while LaCapria claims in her\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/www.snopes.com\/planned-parenthood-abortion-quotas\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Snopes piece<\/a>\u00a0to have contacted Planned Parenthood (which denied the quotas existed), she\u00a0failed to publish any names or titles of contacts at Planned Parenthood for validation.<\/p>\n<p>Denial is a common response from Planned Parenthood officials anytime they are exposed, because they know the media <a href=\"\/news\/has-the-media-been-caught-in-planned-parenthoods-web-of-lies-part-two\/\">rarely investigates<\/a> the <a href=\"\/news\/media-caught-planned-parenthoods-web-lies-part-one\/\">accusations<\/a> against them.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><iframe loading=\"lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/mkxUAR3a_Jc\" width=\"640\" height=\"360\" frameborder=\"0\" allowfullscreen=\"allowfullscreen\"><\/iframe><\/p>\n<p><strong>Failure to Address the Actual Claim<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Rather than addressing the actual claim of quotas, LaCapria questions the character of the former Planned Parenthood staffers because they were ambivalent about abortion, even while working for the abortion corporation. LaCapria goes after former Planned Parenthood manager Sue Thayer, painting her as a disgruntled employee. What that has to do with the claim that Planned Parenthood has abortion quotas or gives rewards to staff members who sell the procedure\u00a0is uncertain.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Parroting Planned Parenthood Talking Points<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>What <em>is<\/em> certain is that LaCapria&#8217;s talking points on Thayer sound strangely\u00a0similar to Planned Parenthood&#8217;s own talking points,\u00a0published at this <a href=\"https:\/\/www.plannedparenthood.org\/about-us\/newsroom\/press-releases\/gop-anti-abortion-political-circus-heads-to-judiciary-hearing-today\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Planned Parenthood website<\/a>, linked in LaCapria&#8217;s Snopes\u00a0piece.<\/p>\n<p>Regarding Thayer, LaCapria includes another poorly researched and wholly inaccurate statement (copying it from a Planned Parenthood <a href=\"https:\/\/www.plannedparenthood.org\/about-us\/newsroom\/press-releases\/gop-anti-abortion-political-circus-heads-to-judiciary-hearing-today\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">website<\/a>\u00a0&#8212; as displayed in the images below) which claimed Thayer&#8217;s case against Planned Parenthood was dismissed in 2014 because the court found no evidence to substantiate her\u00a0claim that Planned Parenthood engaged in fraud&#8230;<\/p>\n<div id=\"attachment_162529\" style=\"width: 710px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><img aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-162529\" decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"size-large wp-image-162529\" src=\"\/news\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/02\/Snopes-claim-against-Sue-Thayer-PP-700x311.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"700\" height=\"311\" srcset=\"https:\/\/archive.liveaction.org\/news\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/02\/Snopes-claim-against-Sue-Thayer-PP-700x311.jpg 700w, https:\/\/archive.liveaction.org\/news\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/02\/Snopes-claim-against-Sue-Thayer-PP-300x133.jpg 300w, https:\/\/archive.liveaction.org\/news\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/02\/Snopes-claim-against-Sue-Thayer-PP-768x341.jpg 768w, https:\/\/archive.liveaction.org\/news\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/02\/Snopes-claim-against-Sue-Thayer-PP-500x222.jpg 500w, https:\/\/archive.liveaction.org\/news\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/02\/Snopes-claim-against-Sue-Thayer-PP.jpg 918w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 700px) 100vw, 700px\" \/><p id=\"caption-attachment-162529\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Screen capture from Snopes&#8217; website<\/p><\/div>\n<div id=\"attachment_162530\" style=\"width: 450px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><img aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-162530\" decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"size-full wp-image-162530\" src=\"\/news\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/02\/SNope-uses-Planned-Parenthood-website-to-malign-Thayer.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"440\" height=\"319\" srcset=\"https:\/\/archive.liveaction.org\/news\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/02\/SNope-uses-Planned-Parenthood-website-to-malign-Thayer.jpg 440w, https:\/\/archive.liveaction.org\/news\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/02\/SNope-uses-Planned-Parenthood-website-to-malign-Thayer-300x218.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 440px) 100vw, 440px\" \/><p id=\"caption-attachment-162530\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Screen capture from Planned Parenthood&#8217;s website<\/p><\/div>\n<p>Sorry, Snopes, but taking Planned Parenthood&#8217;s public statements at face value is\u00a0<em>not<\/em>\u00a0investigating or fact-checking\u00a0<em>in the slightest<\/em>.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Failure to Conduct Adequate Research<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Enter the ever-helpful Google search engine, which reveals a\u00a0June 2016 update\u00a0in the\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/www.desmoinesregister.com\/story\/news\/health\/2016\/06\/22\/ex-planned-parenthood-managers-lawsuit-moves-ahead\/86251570\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">DesMoines Register<\/a>, which\u00a0reported that a federal judge has\u00a0<em>reinstated<\/em> Thayer&#8217;s case of fraud against Planned Parenthood.\u00a0My advice to Snopes and LaCapria? Don&#8217;t be so quick to quote Planned Parenthood regarding Thayer&#8217;s fraud case. The Iowa news outlet states in part:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>John Jarvey, chief federal judge for southern Iowa, ruled this week that the lawsuit can proceed to trial. Jarvey agreed with Planned Parenthood lawyers that some of Thayer\u2019s claims were unfounded, but he wrote that others were strong enough to deserve a full hearing&#8230; [T]he judge declined to dismiss Thayer\u2019s claim that Planned Parenthood defrauded Medicaid by billing for birth-control pills that were dispensed before a physician or nurse practitioner had written specific prescriptions for them. He also declined to dismiss Thayer\u2019s claim that Planned Parenthood illegally billed Medicaid for abortion-related services, such as blood tests and office visits for women who had their pregnancies terminated. Federal law bans Medicaid payment for most abortions.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>LaCapria\u00a0also writes of former Planned Parenthood manager Sue Thayer:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Thayer\u2019s relationship to Planned Parenthood was not discussed in the video beyond a description of her as a former employee. But a Catholic World Report article reported that Thayer maintained anti-abortion views for the entirety of her 17-year employment with the Planned Parenthood organization.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>And again, the first sentence above isn&#8217;t correct.\u00a0As readers can see from the image below, at 12 seconds into the video, an explanation of Thayer&#8217;s &#8220;relationship to Planned Parenthood&#8221; is clearly detailed in bold print, reading, &#8220;Sue Thayer, former Planned Parenthood Manager.&#8221; In the video, Thayer states that her center was a &#8220;family planning center&#8221; and says, &#8220;I trained my staff the way that I was trained.&#8221; She even names the city where her center was located &#8212;\u00a0&#8220;Storm Lake&#8221; (Iowa) &#8212; but I guess LaCapria missed all that as well.<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"aligncenter size-large wp-image-162435\" src=\"\/news\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/02\/Sue-Thayer-Live-Action-Planned-Parenthood-Abortion-Quotas-700x399.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"700\" height=\"399\" \/><\/p>\n<p>Although LaCapria seems intent on linking to the same Catholic World Report story referenced on Planned Parenthood&#8217;s website (another possible indication that she didn&#8217;t spend much time investigating Thayer&#8217;s claims), she conveniently leaves\u00a0out the section of the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.catholicworldreport.com\/Item\/1895\/abortion_insiders_turn_their_backs_on_the_industry.aspx\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Catholic World Report<\/a> story where Thayer also stated:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Planned Parenthood told us that an unborn baby is just a blob of tissue, and that it\u2019s a woman\u2019s right to have an abortion. I guess I bought into some of that. It\u2019s a line they continue to spew out even to this day.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>And this:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Thayer also stresses that money is a big motivator in the abortion business. She said, \u201cIt\u2019s all about money. Each Planned Parenthood center has a goal of how many abortions they do each week. When I started, I thought Planned Parenthood helped women. Now I see it\u2019s just a business.\u201d<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><strong>Confusing Personal Beliefs With Facts<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>LaCapria then goes after Marianne Anderson &#8212; the second former Planned Parenthood staffer in Live Action&#8217;s video &#8212; using the same logic, writing:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Like Thayer, Anderson accepted a position at Planned Parenthood despite her reservations about the clinic\u2019s operations.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>LaCapria essentially insists that because of\u00a0Anderson&#8217;s and Thayer&#8217;s ambivalence about\u00a0abortion, this\u00a0negates their eyewitness testimony. This claim, of course, is nonsense. A Planned Parenthood employee&#8217;s\u00a0opinion on abortion does not change what that\u00a0employee witnessed while on the job. There are many abortion advocates who claim they are personally opposed to abortion but still think it should be legal. Would LaCapria disqualify all of their accounts as well?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Cherry-Picking Statements<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Not only did Live Action provide video testimony from\u00a0two witnesses with first hand knowledge, but Live Action president Lila Rose also thereafter provided on\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/lilagracerose\/photos\/a.297233007999.180046.60182072999\/10155053260988000\/?type=3\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Facebook<\/a>\u00a0a copy of a certificate issued to a Planned Parenthood in Colorado for \u201cexceeding abortion visits.\u201d<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><iframe loading=\"lazy\" style=\"border: none; overflow: hidden;\" src=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/plugins\/post.php?href=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2Flilagracerose%2Fposts%2F10155053260988000&amp;width=500\" width=\"500\" height=\"708\" frameborder=\"0\" scrolling=\"no\"><\/iframe><\/p>\n<p>LaCapria acknowledges this, but insinuates the claim was debunked when she cites\u00a0an archived Planned Parenthood Action statement, written by Planned Parenthood of the Rocky Mountains CEO Vicki Cowart:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>&#8220;First, and plainly, Planned Parenthood does not have \u201cquotas\u201d for any of our services.<\/p>\n<p>\u2026 no, we don\u2019t have quotas. And, yes, we absolutely do celebrate our progress in ensuring that more people have access to the full range of reproductive health care, including abortion. And we always will.&#8221;<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Yet earlier on in her statement, Cowart refers to the certificate itself &#8212; which\u00a0LaCapria conveniently left out of her Snopes piece:<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-162383\" src=\"\/news\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/02\/PPAction-Abortion-Quotas-July-2014-2.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"551\" height=\"407\" srcset=\"https:\/\/archive.liveaction.org\/news\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/02\/PPAction-Abortion-Quotas-July-2014-2.jpg 551w, https:\/\/archive.liveaction.org\/news\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/02\/PPAction-Abortion-Quotas-July-2014-2-300x222.jpg 300w, https:\/\/archive.liveaction.org\/news\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/02\/PPAction-Abortion-Quotas-July-2014-2-500x369.jpg 500w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 551px) 100vw, 551px\" \/><\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Political groups with an extreme agenda took to social media this week to claim they\u2019ve found proof that Planned Parenthood has \u201cquotas\u201d for how many abortions the organization should provide. The entire basis of their claim was a photo of a certificate that Planned Parenthood of the Rocky Mountains gave to a health center for increasing its abortion services \u2013 which these groups blasted as \u201csickening\u201d and \u201cappalling.\u201d<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Whoops! Looks like\u00a0<a href=\"\/news\/planned-parenthoods-abortion-quota-certificate-proven-authentic-by-planned-parenthood\/\">Cowart\u00a0actually confirmed that the certificate was authentic<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>But Snopes seems too busy\u00a0skirting the topic at hand to notice.<\/p>\n<p>What&#8217;s really interesting is that LaCapria readily accepts as truth the two former Planned Parenthood staffers&#8217; claims that they dislike abortion&#8230;but then completely discounts what they have to say\u00a0about the organization&#8217;s\u00a0abortion goals (or &#8220;quotas&#8221;). The latter is apparently\u00a0&#8220;unproven&#8221; while the former is to simply be accepted without question. Is Snopes really just cherrypicking facts that put Planned Parenthood in the best possible light?<\/p>\n<p><strong>Snopes Cannot be Trusted as a Valid Fact-Checker<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>What this most recent Snopes post actually revealed was that, as far as Snopes&#8217; fact checkers are concerned, holding an &#8220;anti-abortion&#8221; view automatically calls everything you say into question. For Snopes, it seems holding Planned Parenthood accountable or putting the organization&#8217;s spokespersons on the record just isn&#8217;t important. Simply repeat\u00a0Planned Parenthood&#8217;s talking points and &#8211;\u00a0voila!\u00a0&#8211; Snopes&#8217;\u00a0alleged &#8220;fact checkers&#8221; can click &#8220;publish&#8221; &#8212; with little research and no messy explanations!<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/liveaction.org\/petition\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-160409\" src=\"\/news\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/01\/DefundAd-400b-1.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"400\" height=\"170\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Live Action has shown time and time again through its undercover investigations that Planned Parenthood is not about primary &#8220;health care&#8221; services; it is\u00a0abortion-focused.<\/p>\n<p>Whether LaCapria and her Snopes editors want to admit the obvious is up to them. But Live Action News cannot\u00a0allow a poorly researched Snopes &#8220;fact check&#8221; using unverifiable Planned Parenthood public relations talking points to go unchallenged.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>In a multi-part series, Live Action News will be fact checking the online fact-checker,\u00a0Snopes.com. We will be following the site&#8217;s\u00a0very poorly researched posts regarding Live Action&#8217;s investigations into the abortion corporation, Planned Parenthood. While Snopes claims\u00a0to be &#8220;one of the World Wide Web\u2019s essential resources&#8221; and &#8220;an online touchstone of rumor research,&#8221; the\u00a0site&#8217;s writers\u00a0appear to [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":303,"featured_media":161924,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"om_disable_all_campaigns":false},"categories":[20722,6],"tags":[],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v20.7 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/wordpress\/plugins\/seo\/ -->\n<title>Snopes tries to debunk Planned Parenthood&#039;s &#039;abortion quotas&#039; with another sloppy &#039;fact check&#039;<\/title>\n<meta name=\"description\" content=\"Sorry, Snopes, but taking Planned Parenthood&#039;s public statements at face value is not investigating or fact-checking in the slightest.\" \/>\n<meta name=\"robots\" content=\"index, follow, max-snippet:-1, max-image-preview:large, max-video-preview:-1\" \/>\n<link rel=\"canonical\" href=\"https:\/\/archive.liveaction.org\/news\/snopes-tries-debunk-planned-parenthood-abortion-quotas-another-sloppy-fact-check\/\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:locale\" content=\"en_US\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:type\" content=\"article\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:title\" content=\"Snopes tries to debunk Planned Parenthood&#039;s &#039;abortion quotas&#039; 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