{"id":16199,"date":"2012-05-09T09:21:18","date_gmt":"2012-05-09T13:21:18","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.www.liveactionnews.org\/?p=16199"},"modified":"2013-04-03T02:32:35","modified_gmt":"2013-04-03T06:32:35","slug":"wonder-why-pro-lifers-pro-choicers-dont-get-along-better","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/archive.liveaction.org\/news\/wonder-why-pro-lifers-pro-choicers-dont-get-along-better\/","title":{"rendered":"Gee, I wonder why pro-lifers and pro-choicers don’t get along better!"},"content":{"rendered":"
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In one breath, Forbes <\/em>contributor Chitra Sundaram<\/a> bemoans how \u201cno real discussion occurs online or offline\u201d when it comes to abortion policy. In the next, she unwittingly betrays her own culpability in the sad state of our national dialogue with a tirade about pro-lifers\u2019 alleged heartlessness:<\/p>\n

The silent masses, much as Margaret Sanger, a pioneer in Women\u2019s reproductive rights and one of the founders of Planned Parenthood found during her travails,\u00a0 remain ignored.\u00a0 They\u00a0live and die\u00a0on the fringes of society, in pockets of dire poverty and inner city tenements, even in an ultra-rich country like ours.\u00a0 Yet they might as well not exist as far as politicians, and commentators\u00a0are concerned.\u00a0 If\u00a0poor women get pregnant, it must be because they are sluts.\u00a0 And the fact that they can\u2019t afford to have a child\u00a0simply means that they shouldn\u2019t have sex!\u00a0 And the possibility\u00a0that they might be living\u00a0in overtly or covertly abusive situations matters little to the ideological pundit.\u00a0 Finally, if the unwanted child is to be forced upon a woman or family, the State of Arizona, facing similar budget deficits to other states has cut into the very programs that might help ease the financial strain on such families<\/a>.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

Much could be said about how pro-choice states actually don’t do better<\/a> than pro-life ones in reducing abortion rates or preventing unintended pregnancy, or which social programs actually help the needy and which ones simply waste money and foster dependence on government. Here, though, let\u2019s focus on the author\u2019s visceral aversion to frank discussion about sexual responsibility.<\/p>\n

Hyperbolic \u201cslut\u201d descriptor aside, the underlying point – that poor women (other than rape victims) get pregnant because they knowingly chose to do something that potentially results in pregnancy – is self-evidently true, as is the commonsense advice that not having sex is the only foolproof way to avoid pregnancy. Why is it offensive to say so? Isn\u2019t prevention a vital, legitimate part of any discussion of the troubles afflicting the poor? Most importantly, why aren\u2019t we allowed to take into account somebody\u2019s responsibility for creating<\/em> a baby when evaluating her wish to destroy him or her?<\/p>\n

After asserting that Margaret Sanger was actually \u201ccautious of the indiscriminate use of abortion\u201d because she understood its \u201cphysiological and psychological affects on women and their partners,\u201d Sundaram takes even more fatuous leaps of logic:<\/p>\n

In a civilized society that values individual liberties, however, how can a state or\u00a0federal government say that you basically have \u201cone\u201d chance to avoid pregnancy \u2013 through birth control?\u00a0\u00a0(a right, which we might note it took almost 65 years to achieve).<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

Abortion doesn\u2019t \u201cavoid\u201d pregnancy; it ends it by killing a mother\u2019s baby. And therein lies the problem – it\u2019s not that pro-lifers are trying to give women as few reproductive choices as possible; it\u2019s that one particular choice in dispute is unacceptable because it kills an innocent person. Like too many pro-abortion ideologues<\/a>, Sundaram sustains her outrage by simply refusing to even reference why pro-lifers object.<\/p>\n

Then again, maybe it\u2019s for the best that she skips over the heavy lifting; in the comments, she tells<\/a> someone that \u201chow you want to define \u2018human being\u2019\u201d is \u201ca personal choice\u201d (um, no<\/a>) and that her basis<\/a> for \u201cchoice\u201d trumping fetuses\u2019 right to life is that women \u201care contributing members of society.\u201d Sounds like bad news for children, the severely disabled, and many of the elderly\u2026<\/p>\n

If however,\u00a0 for any reason (error, or inefficacy) you screw up,\u00a0you must be forced to\u00a0have children you\u00a0cannot afford?<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

You must be forced to bear<\/em> a child (simply because we don\u2019t have<\/em> another nonlethal option), but you\u2019re not forced to keep<\/em> that child. Poor women can give their babies up for adoption, and if that\u2019s too much trouble, most states also have safe haven laws<\/a> letting women leave their newborns at hospitals, fire houses, and police stations.<\/p>\n

It is reprehensible enough when governments like\u00a0the Chinese enforce\u00a0a rule of\u00a0no more than one child per family.\u00a0 How is it any different when a government\u00a0insists that we cannot limit the size of it?
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Er, maybe because in one case the government is forcing you to kill someone, and in the other the government is forcing you not to? Seems pretty self-explanatory to me.<\/p>\n

Why doesn\u2019t abortion get the candid, productive discussion it deserves? It\u2019s not because pro-lifers are unfeeling dogmatists. It\u2019s because pro-choicers stigmatize the discussion of inconvenient truths, ignore us when we tell them what they pretend they want to know, and coarsen the debate with demagogic questions they already know the answers to.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

Pro-choice Chitra Sundaram at Forbes<\/em> gives us a pretty good indicator.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":54,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"om_disable_all_campaigns":false},"categories":[3],"tags":[],"yoast_head":"\nGee, I wonder why pro-lifers and pro-choicers don't get along better! - Live Action News<\/title>\n<meta name=\"robots\" content=\"index, follow, max-snippet:-1, max-image-preview:large, max-video-preview:-1\" \/>\n<link rel=\"canonical\" href=\"https:\/\/archive.liveaction.org\/news\/wonder-why-pro-lifers-pro-choicers-dont-get-along-better\/\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:locale\" content=\"en_US\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:type\" content=\"article\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:title\" content=\"Gee, I wonder why pro-lifers and pro-choicers don't get along better! - Live Action News\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:description\" content=\"Pro-choice Chitra Sundaram at Forbes gives us a pretty good indicator.\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:url\" content=\"https:\/\/archive.liveaction.org\/news\/wonder-why-pro-lifers-pro-choicers-dont-get-along-better\/\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:site_name\" content=\"Live Action News\" \/>\n<meta property=\"article:publisher\" content=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/liveaction\" \/>\n<meta property=\"article:published_time\" content=\"2012-05-09T13:21:18+00:00\" \/>\n<meta property=\"article:modified_time\" content=\"2013-04-03T06:32:35+00:00\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:image\" content=\"https:\/\/archive.liveaction.org\/news\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/02\/march_group_photo_og-1-700x467.jpg\" \/>\n\t<meta property=\"og:image:width\" content=\"700\" \/>\n\t<meta property=\"og:image:height\" content=\"467\" \/>\n\t<meta property=\"og:image:type\" content=\"image\/jpeg\" \/>\n<meta name=\"author\" content=\"Calvin Freiburger\" \/>\n<meta name=\"twitter:card\" content=\"summary_large_image\" \/>\n<meta name=\"twitter:creator\" content=\"@liveaction\" \/>\n<meta name=\"twitter:site\" content=\"@liveaction\" \/>\n<meta name=\"twitter:label1\" content=\"Written by\" \/>\n\t<meta name=\"twitter:data1\" content=\"Calvin Freiburger\" \/>\n\t<meta name=\"twitter:label2\" content=\"Est. reading time\" \/>\n\t<meta name=\"twitter:data2\" content=\"4 minutes\" \/>\n<script type=\"application\/ld+json\" class=\"yoast-schema-graph\">{\"@context\":\"https:\/\/schema.org\",\"@graph\":[{\"@type\":\"Article\",\"@id\":\"https:\/\/archive.liveaction.org\/news\/wonder-why-pro-lifers-pro-choicers-dont-get-along-better\/#article\",\"isPartOf\":{\"@id\":\"https:\/\/archive.liveaction.org\/news\/wonder-why-pro-lifers-pro-choicers-dont-get-along-better\/\"},\"author\":{\"name\":\"Calvin Freiburger\",\"@id\":\"https:\/\/archive.liveaction.org\/news\/#\/schema\/person\/6eb2bf94c8064b71953ba137bf413c4d\"},\"headline\":\"Gee, I wonder why pro-lifers and pro-choicers don’t get along better!\",\"datePublished\":\"2012-05-09T13:21:18+00:00\",\"dateModified\":\"2013-04-03T06:32:35+00:00\",\"mainEntityOfPage\":{\"@id\":\"https:\/\/archive.liveaction.org\/news\/wonder-why-pro-lifers-pro-choicers-dont-get-along-better\/\"},\"wordCount\":795,\"commentCount\":31,\"publisher\":{\"@id\":\"https:\/\/archive.liveaction.org\/news\/#organization\"},\"articleSection\":[\"Opinion\"],\"inLanguage\":\"en-US\",\"potentialAction\":[{\"@type\":\"CommentAction\",\"name\":\"Comment\",\"target\":[\"https:\/\/archive.liveaction.org\/news\/wonder-why-pro-lifers-pro-choicers-dont-get-along-better\/#respond\"]}]},{\"@type\":\"WebPage\",\"@id\":\"https:\/\/archive.liveaction.org\/news\/wonder-why-pro-lifers-pro-choicers-dont-get-along-better\/\",\"url\":\"https:\/\/archive.liveaction.org\/news\/wonder-why-pro-lifers-pro-choicers-dont-get-along-better\/\",\"name\":\"Gee, I wonder why pro-lifers and pro-choicers don't get along better! 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