{"id":159028,"date":"2016-12-30T08:53:27","date_gmt":"2016-12-30T13:53:27","guid":{"rendered":"\/news\/?p=159028"},"modified":"2016-12-30T01:16:30","modified_gmt":"2016-12-30T06:16:30","slug":"salon-tries-fails-to-teach-pro-choicers-effectively-argue-pro-life-relatives","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/archive.liveaction.org\/news\/salon-tries-fails-to-teach-pro-choicers-effectively-argue-pro-life-relatives\/","title":{"rendered":"Salon tries, fails to teach pro-choicers how to effectively argue with pro-life relatives"},"content":{"rendered":"<div style=\"margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;\" class=\"sharethis-inline-share-buttons\" ><\/div><p>Ten suggestions on how to argue abortion with your pro-life relatives, <a href=\"http:\/\/www.salon.com\/2016\/12\/23\/how-to-argue-with-your-relatives-about-abortion-a-few-arguments-that-do-not-work-with-pro-lifers-and-some-that-might\/\" target=\"_blank\">published<\/a>\u00a0by Salon, gives some indication that abortion supporters are having to be much more creative to defend the indefensible. In the article, entitled, &#8220;How to argue with your relatives about abortion: A few arguments that don\u2019t work with pro-lifers and some that might,&#8221; Shawna Kay Rodenberg gives some interesting insight into the mindset of those who claim to want to sway solidly pro-life beliefs.<\/p>\n<p>Some of\u00a0Rodenberg&#8217;s recommendations are in bold below, along with my thoughts:<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;<strong>First, acknowledge that abortion isn\u2019t only a conservative Christian concern<\/strong>.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>Showing respect for pro-life beliefs is something you do not always hear from those who advocate for the taking of life in the womb. But, interestingly, Rodenberg\u00a0admits\u00a0that many religions believe abortion is morally wrong, writing:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Even the Dalai Lama has said that abortion is an act of killing but \u201cit should be approved or disapproved according to each woman\u2019s circumstance.\u201d Fetus-protecting politics are not exclusive to Christian traditions, so when you\u2019re sitting across from your Aunt Cheryl at the holiday table, pretend she\u2019s a Buddhist so you\u2019ll be more patient with her.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>&#8220;<strong>Don\u2019t argue semantics like using \u201canti-abortion\u201d versus \u201cpro-life<\/strong>.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;<strong>Remember that her news feed does not resemble yours<\/strong>.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>These are good pieces of advice for everyone. However, Rodenberg&#8217;s\u00a0next few suggestions caught my eye because they actually acknowledge the humanity of the baby while in their mother&#8217;s womb&#8230;<\/p>\n<div class=\"ArticleAd1\">\n<p><!-- \/1011927\/LAN_300_by_250_top_article --><\/p>\n<div id=\"div-gpt-ad-1473179053567-0\" class=\"ArticleAd1a\"><script>\ngoogletag.cmd.push(function() { googletag.display('div-gpt-ad-1473179053567-0'); });\n<\/script><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p>&#8220;<strong>Never say that a fetus is not a baby or argue that it is not alive<\/strong>.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>Wait&#8230;\u00a0isn&#8217;t that one of the main points abortion advocates\u00a0make when discussing the legality of\u00a0abortion? The &#8216;fetus&#8217; is nearly always dehumanized as a &#8216;blob of tissue,&#8217; a &#8216;product of conception\/POC,&#8217; a &#8216;non-sentient&#8217; form of life, or even a &#8216;parasite&#8217; attached to the unwilling &#8216;carrier&#8217; (the pregnant woman). And yet, amazingly, Rodenberg\u00a0tells\u00a0readers to &#8220;concede the human-ness of the fetus:&#8221;<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Pro-life women are disgusted by the \u201cvagina as magic portal\u201d-style pro-choice argument in which some dark magic takes place during birth that transforms a fetus into a person. Even if you maintain that independent breathing marks the beginning of life, many premature infants cannot breathe on their own, but we still call them infants, not fetuses. <strong>Concede the human-ness of the fetus<\/strong>.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>The reality is that abortion <em>absolutely<\/em> kills a preborn human in the womb &#8212; a truth even the most hardened abortionist is now admitting, as <a href=\"\/news\/abortionists-agree-abortion-is-killing\/\" target=\"_blank\">Live Action News<\/a> has reported. This Salon writer&#8217;s\u00a0instruction to readers suggests that the\u00a0&#8220;my body, my choice&#8221; argument is falling apart, thanks to abortion victim imagery, sonograms, 4-D ultrasounds and successful fetal surgery (along with\u00a0the rise of social media, which has shone a light on the indefensibility\u00a0of abortion).<\/p>\n<p>This is even more obvious in Rodenberg&#8217;s next suggestion.<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;<strong>Don\u2019t argue that abortion gives a woman autonomy over her body<\/strong>.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>Whoa&#8230; wait a minute! I thought that was the whole argument! Am I\u00a0confused? Didn&#8217;t\u00a0seven men on the Supreme Court who ruled in favor of <em>Roe v. Wade<\/em> somehow grant women a &#8216;right to privacy&#8217; to do what they wanted with their bodies, even if it takes another human life? Apparently, Salon has conceded this argument:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>In doing so, you infer that the woman\u2019s body is the only one involved, and whether you believe a fetus should have civil rights or not, <strong>we must all admit that it does in fact have a body, a tiny physical manifestation<\/strong>. Denying that it does ensures you will lose the argument.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Silly me&#8230; I thought Rodenberg&#8217;s Salon\u00a0article was supposed to be about\u00a0how to defend the pro-abortion position, not how to concede pro-life arguments! The article continues with more points&#8230;<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;<strong>Don\u2019t argue against adoption as a viable alternative.<\/strong>&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;<strong>Don\u2019t talk about exceptions for cases of rape<\/strong>.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>Hmm&#8230; this suggestion is also puzzling because <em>Roe<\/em> was based on the lie that the woman in the case, &#8220;Jane Roe&#8221; (Norma McCorvey) was raped. It&#8217;s also puzzling because whenever pro-life laws are passed, abortion advocates always mention the so-called &#8220;hard cases&#8221; (rape, incest, and life of the mother). The truth behind the rhetoric, however, is that there are many women who have chosen life for their babies after the trauma of rape\u00a0&#8212; despite feeling external pressure to abort. And some women who did choose abortion after rape have testified to the ongoing victimization that the abortion thrust upon them. Groups like\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/savethe1.blogspot.com\/\" target=\"_blank\">Save the 1<\/a>\u00a0and\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/choices4life.org\/\" target=\"_blank\">Choices 4 Life<\/a> assist rape and\u00a0incest victims who become pregnant. They give a voice to the children who were conceived in rape, pointing out the injustice of punishing\u00a0children for the\u00a0crimes of their fathers.<\/p>\n<div class=\"ArticleAd2\">\n<p><!-- \/1011927\/LAN_300_BY_250_mid_article --><\/p>\n<div id=\"div-gpt-ad-1473179101244-0\" class=\"ArticleAd2a\"><script>\ngoogletag.cmd.push(function() { googletag.display('div-gpt-ad-1473179101244-0'); });\n<\/script><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p>&#8220;<strong>Never contend that abortion is a single issue and there are other issues of equal importance.<\/strong>&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>According to Rodenberg, the reason for this is:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>They [pro-lifers] are consistent in their belief that all people, even those who are terminally ill, should live for as long as God intends. Many argue, quite validly, that legalizing euthanasia would place undue pressure on elderly, disabled and terminally ill people, especially when there\u2019s poverty, to end their lives before they burden their families.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>But never fear! The world hasn&#8217;t turned upside down.\u00a0Salon isn&#8217;t actually being reasonable; in\u00a0many of Rosenberg&#8217;s\u00a0suggestions, she\u00a0takes jabs at\u00a0her opponents, suggesting pro-lifers are only concerned about &#8220;the sanctity of the white middle-class lives of men and children.&#8221; However, it is not\u00a0abortion supporters but pro-lifers who oppose abortion being used as a tool\u00a0for eugenic genocide against minorities. Rodenberg\u00a0completely disregards the thousands of Black and Hispanic pro-lifers and the many minority groups who oppose abortion and shed light on the <a href=\"\/news\/planned-parenthoods-connections-to-eugenics\/\" target=\"_blank\">history<\/a>\u00a0of Planned Parenthood&#8217;s eugenic roots.<\/p>\n<p>Rodenberg\u00a0even suggests that Planned Parenthood the <em>solution<\/em> to abortion instead of admitting that they are, in essence,\u00a0an\u00a0abortion Goliath, saying, &#8220;<strong>Emphasize the importance of pregnancy prevention<\/strong>&#8220;:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Tell your Aunt Cheryl that the vibrant presence of many organizations advocating for women\u2019s health, such as the leviathan Planned Parenthood, decreases the number of abortions women seek. At least you\u2019re acknowledging that abortion is not ideal and she will appreciate that. Tell her funding cuts to Planned Parenthood have been proved to cause a rise in the number of abortions sought, specifically by low-income women.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Hmm&#8230; let&#8217;s hope that &#8220;Aunt Cheryl&#8221; sees through this nonsense rhetoric and\u00a0is aware of\u00a0Live Action&#8217;s <a href=\"\/news\/new-video-debunks-planned-parenthoods-3-percent-abortion-myth\/\">video<\/a>, below, which breaks down Planned Parenthood\u2019s self-reported corporate data, revealing how abortion is the organization&#8217;s core service and chief money-maker:<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><iframe loading=\"lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/qtgqxvaV-8U\" width=\"640\" height=\"360\" frameborder=\"0\" allowfullscreen=\"allowfullscreen\"><\/iframe><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\">Indeed, perhaps &#8220;Aunt Cheryl&#8221; would accurately reply that\u00a0abortions at Planned Parenthood have generally <a href=\"\/news\/analysis-government-funding-increases-planned-parenthoods-abortions\/\" target=\"_blank\">increased<\/a>\u00a0&#8212;\u00a0<em>not<\/em> decreased as Rodenberg\u00a0has suggested &#8212; while non-abortion services (STD testing, pap smears, etc.) have been on the decline.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: left;\">Rodenberg&#8217;s last suggestion is simply spine chilling. She attempts\u00a0to claim that &#8220;if&#8221; a child is at risk for abuse, then that child should instead be killed. Under the point,\u00a0&#8220;<strong>Unintended pregnancies carry risks for the child, too,<\/strong>&#8221; she\u00a0writes:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Aunt Cheryl should also know that women who aren\u2019t prepared to care for children or have adequate support are statistically more likely to neglect and abuse such children after they\u2019re born. They are more likely to suffer depression and less likely to bond and less prone to seek prenatal care and more likely to experience domestic violence during pregnancy. Their babies are more likely to die even in the absence of abortion&#8230; In your Aunt Cheryl\u2019s sheltered mind palace, every woman loves her baby. Remind her that is not always the case, that not all women are cut out to be mothers.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>&#8220;Sheltered mind palace&#8221;? No, Ms. Rodenberg, it&#8217;s not that pro-lifers like Aunt Cheryl are living in la-la land &#8212; it&#8217;s simply that we don&#8217;t think a\u00a0child\u00a0should be killed simply because one person has decided that the child has no value.<\/p>\n<p>And thus, Salon comes\u00a0full circle from an air of reasonability\u00a0to the standard\u00a0pro-abortion mentality:\u00a0&#8216;Unwanted babies are better off dead!&#8217; While Rodenberg\u00a0clearly acknowledged that the preborn in the womb is, in fact, a human, she\u00a0failed to draw the conclusion that purposely killing that human\u00a0is unjustifiable murder.<\/p>\n<p>In the end, if\u00a0Salon&#8217;s readers attempted to use Rodenberg&#8217;s\u00a0suggestions, I would hope\u00a0that the fictitious, pro-life &#8220;Aunt Cheryl&#8221; graciously made mincemeat out of them.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Ten suggestions on how to argue abortion with your pro-life relatives, published\u00a0by Salon, gives some indication that abortion supporters are having to be much more creative to defend the indefensible. 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