{"id":155221,"date":"2016-10-24T17:48:53","date_gmt":"2016-10-24T22:48:53","guid":{"rendered":"\/news\/?p=155221"},"modified":"2024-09-20T16:05:35","modified_gmt":"2024-09-20T21:05:35","slug":"slate-writers-attempt-debunk-secular-pro-lifers-an-embarrassment","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/archive.liveaction.org\/news\/slate-writers-attempt-debunk-secular-pro-lifers-an-embarrassment\/","title":{"rendered":"Slate writer&#8217;s attempt to debunk secular pro-lifers is an embarrassment"},"content":{"rendered":"<div style=\"margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;\" class=\"sharethis-inline-share-buttons\" ><\/div><p>At Salon, our old pal Amanda Marcotte <a href=\"http:\/\/www.salon.com\/2016\/10\/13\/hip-to-be-square-is-there-really-a-feminist-secular-anti-choice-movement-spoiler-no\/\">takes umbrage<\/a> at a <a href=\"http:\/\/www.slate.com\/articles\/double_x\/cover_story\/2016\/10\/the_future_of_the_pro_life_movement.html\">recent Slate piece<\/a> by Ruth Graham highlighting the rise of young, female, and secular pro-life activists who confound the stereotype of pro-lifers as old, male, sex-obsessed religious nuts\u2014the very stereotype that happens to be Amanda\u2019s <a href=\"\/news\/americas-views-abortion-still-dont-match-amanda-marcottes-caricatures-cant-stand\/\">bread<\/a> and <a href=\"\/news\/our-favorite-conspiracy-theorist-sanctity-of-life-just-a-front-for-policing-womens-sex-lives\/\">butter<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>Fearful that that without a straw man to endlessly tear down she might have to start thinking about and discussing pro-lifers\u2019 actual arguments, Marcotte insists that the movement against abortion \u201cis anything but secular or progressive,\u201d and is still comprised of \u201cthe same old anti-feminist sex scolds they\u2019ve always been\u201d:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Graham interviewed Destiny Herndon-De La Rosa, who has\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/newwavefeminists.blogspot.com\/\">clearly studied<\/a> the hipster feminist aesthetic\u00a0and imitates it pretty well. But when one\u00a0digs past her use of Rosie the Riveter images and her willingness to curse, Herndon-De Le Rosa\u2019s rhetoric is revealed to be\u00a0standard right-wing misogyny. She has called\u00a0feminists \u201chysterical, entitled twats\u201d who \u201care polishing up their victimhood, parading it around and calling it feminism.\u201d<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>But as Herndon-De Le Rosa <a href=\"http:\/\/newwavefeminists.blogspot.com\/2016\/10\/amanda-marcotte-just-makes-shit-up.html\">reveals here<\/a>, those quotes (a) aren\u2019t from her, and (b) are completely misrepresented. They actually come from <a href=\"http:\/\/newwavefeminists.blogspot.com\/2016\/06\/common-sense-feminism_30.html\">this article<\/a> on her group\u2019s website, by Kristen Walker Hatten. Further, the first quote actually says (emphasis added) that the founders of true feminism \u201cwent to great lengths to see to it that women were recognized as intelligent people of sound mind who deserved equal rights like property ownership and suffrage, <strong>not<\/strong> hysterical, entitled twats,\u201d and the second is referring not to feminists, but to \u201cfauxminists,\u201d extremist advocates for causes like abortion, who espouse \u201cthe opposite of feminism.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Salon: where fact-checking is optional!<\/p>\n<div class=\"ArticleAd1\">\n<p><!-- \/1011927\/LAN_300_by_250_top_article --><\/p>\n<div id=\"div-gpt-ad-1473179053567-0\" class=\"ArticleAd1a\"><script>\ngoogletag.cmd.push(function() { googletag.display('div-gpt-ad-1473179053567-0'); });\n<\/script><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p>Marcotte next absurdly accuses Herndon-De La Rosa of believing consensual sex is \u201can evil male plot foisted on women too stupid to know better\u201d and \u201ca degrading act that no woman actually wants and that women merely endure so as to gain that brass ring of marriage and a baby.\u201d Marcotte\u2019s sole piece of evidence: a <a href=\"http:\/\/www.newwavefeminists.com\/about\">quote<\/a> from New Wave Feminists\u2019 \u201cAbout\u201d page:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Sometime before we were born our womanhood was traded for a handful\u00a0of birth control pills, the \u2018privilege\u2019 to degrade ourselves in playboy,\u00a0and the \u2018right\u2019 to abort our children.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Marcotte\u2019s not even trying to be subtle about making stuff up here. Posing for Playboy is the only thing described as \u201cdegrading,\u201d so how on Earth does that get Marcotte to \u201csex is degrading\u201d or \u201cno woman wants sex\u201d? (It\u2019s an even dumber straw man than <a href=\"\/news\/our-favorite-conspiracy-theorist-sanctity-of-life-just-a-front-for-policing-womens-sex-lives\/\">the time she equated<\/a> having three or more sexual partners with \u201cthe idea that a woman might not marry the first boy she kisses.\u201d)<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Herndon-De La Rosa\u2019s attempts to spin the anti-choice view\u00a0as a rejection of male control and authority are particularly hard to swallow,\u00a0given her own story\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/newwavefeminists.blogspot.com\/2013\/08\/lets-talk-about-sex-without-having-babe.html\">about why she gave up contraception<\/a>.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>But Herndon-De Le Rosa points out that <em>again<\/em>, Marcotte has attributed to her an article by someone else, Danielle Lipp.<\/p>\n<p>Even so, the sentences immediately beyond what Marcotte quotes reveal that Lipp\u2019s entire rationale for rejecting hormonal birth control was learning about its <a href=\"\/news\/glamour-lies-to-public-about-plan-b-abortifacient-nature\/\">abortifacient functionality<\/a>\u2014not religion, not \u201csex is only for babies\u201d (indeed, Lipp goes on to discuss how she and her husband decided on a different method to avoiding pregnancy), but the same secular reality behind abortion opposition.<\/p>\n<p>Folks, I\u2019m beginning to think Marcotte\u00a0might have an honesty problem\u2026<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>\u201cThis is what \u2018bro-choice\u2019 looks like and means for the men who want to \u2018game the system\u2019 and use women for meaningless sexual escapades,\u201d [Life Matters Journal\u2019s Aimee]\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/www.lifemattersjournal.org\/single-post\/2013\/08\/23\/Abortion-Enables-RedPill-Bros-or-How-BroChoice-Hurts-Feminism\">Murphy wrote in 2013<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>Abortion matters to men, she added, because \u201cwithout it, they\u2019d get stuck with \u2018sluts\u2019 and have to face the consequences of their actions \u2014 and maybe treat women with the respect they deserve.\u201d<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>To most\u00a0people, it\u2019s obviously true (and backed up by <a href=\"\/news\/?s=%22bro-choice%22\">extensive coverage here<\/a>) that abortion is extremely useful to the sort of men who want to avoid any possible obligation to the women they have sex with. But all Marcotte can process is \u201cforc[ing women] to give birth simply to punish men for sleeping around,\u201d to the point where she absurdly suggests Murphy is \u201cskeptical\u201d of the \u201cpossibility\u201d that women would ever have sex \u201cfor reasons outside of husband snagging.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Marcotte also suggests that because Murphy and some of <a href=\"http:\/\/blog.secularprolife.org\/\">Secular Pro-Life&#8217;s<\/a> authors are Christians, their positions can\u2019t be secular. That\u2019s nonsense for three reasons: (1) <a href=\"\/news\/only-30-of-churchgoers-say-their-pastor-or-clergy-discusses-abortion\/\">polling<\/a> and <a href=\"\/news\/san-antonio-archdiocese-blasts-new-catholics-for-choice-ad\/\">pro-abortion \u201creligious\u201d advocacy<\/a> prove that religious affiliation doesn\u2019t automatically determine one\u2019s abortion views, (2) <a href=\"http:\/\/www.nytimes.com\/2015\/06\/30\/upshot\/why-gun-control-and-abortion-are-different-from-gay-marriage.html\">trends<\/a> in <a href=\"\/news\/post-abortive-coming-out-wont-cancel-out-victims-faces\/\">public opinion<\/a> confirm that opposition to abortion <em>doesn\u2019t<\/em> automatically correspond to the stereotypical \u201creligious Right\u201d position on other issues, and most importantly, (3) you can\u2019t dismiss the secular argument without refuting it\u2014and unfortunately for Marcotte, the factual basis for it is <a href=\"\/news\/40-quotes-from-medical-experts-that-prove-human-life-begins-at-conception\/\">scientifically<\/a>, <a href=\"\/news\/the-science-of-abortion-when-does-life-begin\/\">objectively<\/a>, <a href=\"http:\/\/www.abort73.com\/abortion\/medical_testimony\/\">irrefutably<\/a>,\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/www.ehd.org\/prenatal-images-index.php\">obviously<\/a> true.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>The whole thing has a strong whiff of a Potemkin movement that\u2019s less about genuine organizing and more about creating the illusion\u00a0of secular anti-abortion sentiment,\u00a0an illusion necessary\u00a0to hoodwink courts and the public into believing that anti-choice laws can exist without violating people\u2019s religious freedom.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>As if we needed a reminder that abortion advocates\u00a0<a href=\"\/news\/amanda-marcottes-14th-amendment-lesson-fares-well-youd-expect\/\">don&#8217;t understand how the Constitution works<\/a>. Such an \u201cillusion\u201d wouldn\u2019t be necessary because (1) as explained above, secular science identifies preborn babies as living humans, (2) the Constitution <a href=\"\/news\/life-at-conception-act-under-attack-by-the-constitution-center\/\">was written to protect all humans<\/a> regardless of developmental stage; (3) the Constitution <a href=\"\/news\/the-case-against-roe-v-wade-and-planned-parenthood-v-casey\/\">contains no right to abortion<\/a> (don\u2019t believe me? Ask <a href=\"\/news\/justice-scalias-refresher-on-constitutional-originalism\/\">your own side&#8217;s scholars<\/a>), and (4) \u201csentiment\u201d supporting or opposing a given policy does not define its constitutional status.<\/p>\n<p>But hey, other than <em>all that<\/em>\u2026good point.<\/p>\n<div class=\"ArticleAd2\">\n<p><!-- \/1011927\/LAN_300_BY_250_mid_article --><\/p>\n<div id=\"div-gpt-ad-1473179101244-0\" class=\"ArticleAd2a\"><script>\ngoogletag.cmd.push(function() { googletag.display('div-gpt-ad-1473179101244-0'); });\n<\/script><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p>Marcotte\u2019s final piece of \u201cevidence\u201d is that Secular Pro-Life leader Kelsey Hazzard <a href=\"http:\/\/www.lifenews.com\/2015\/12\/07\/woman-gets-pregnant-just-to-see-if-she-can-then-has-an-abortion\/\">wrote an article<\/a> \u201cabout a woman who supposedly tested her fertility by becoming\u00a0pregnant by a man she had no intention of marrying and then aborted the fetus.\u201d Marcotte takes this as evidence that even a pro-lifer she concedes is \u201cnot religious\u201d is still driven by puritanical sexual mores, not concern for babies.<\/p>\n<p>But even in the quote Marcotte cherry-picks\u2014\u201cSo much for all women treating abortion with the gravity and seriousness it deserves\u201d\u2014Hazzard\u2019s actual point is clear: debunking the infernal pro-abortion talking point that \u201cno woman <em>ever<\/em> takes the choice to abort lightly, and how dare you suggest it\u2019s even possible?!\u201d Hazzard was shedding light on the abortion lobby\u2019s broad brush, not painting with her own.<\/p>\n<p>Marcotte closes by suggesting the emphasis on secular arguments against abortion is just \u201cwishful thinking,\u201d a futile search for new \u201cscintillating arguments that will destroy legal abortion forever.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>So, so wrong. Pro-lifers already have all the arguments we need\u2026 and deep down, abortion advocates like Marcotte\u00a0already know it. How can we tell they believe\u00a0our arguments would destroy theirs? Because from diatribes about \u201cpunishing sex\u201d and controlling women to Marcotte&#8217;s\u00a0very column, <a href=\"\/news\/?s=marcotte\">many abortion advocates have made a career<\/a> out of making up excuses to not talk about them.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>At Salon, our old pal Amanda Marcotte takes umbrage at a recent Slate piece by Ruth Graham highlighting the rise of young, female, and secular pro-life activists who confound the stereotype of pro-lifers as old, male, sex-obsessed religious nuts\u2014the very stereotype that happens to be Amanda\u2019s bread and butter. Fearful that that without a straw [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":54,"featured_media":72995,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"om_disable_all_campaigns":false},"categories":[20722,6,3],"tags":[],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v20.7 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/wordpress\/plugins\/seo\/ -->\n<title>Slate writer&#039;s attempt to debunk secular pro-lifers is an embarrassment<\/title>\n<meta name=\"description\" content=\"How can we tell abortion advocates believe our arguments would destroy theirs? 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