{"id":14396,"date":"2012-06-16T08:15:00","date_gmt":"2012-06-16T12:15:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.www.liveactionnews.org\/?p=14396"},"modified":"2013-04-03T21:44:36","modified_gmt":"2013-04-04T01:44:36","slug":"pro-lifers-need-to-be-factually-accurate-about-fetal-development","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/archive.liveaction.org\/news\/pro-lifers-need-to-be-factually-accurate-about-fetal-development\/","title":{"rendered":"Pro-lifers need to be factually accurate about fetal development"},"content":{"rendered":"<div style=\"margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;\" class=\"sharethis-inline-share-buttons\" ><\/div><p>If you&#8217;ve followed my work, you know that one of my main passions is helping pro-life people to use the best arguments and talking points for the pro-life position. I know there are some pro-choice advocates who are not open-minded enough to listen to what we have to say, but if you&#8217;re talking to one and he does end the conversation prematurely, I want it to be because <em>he<\/em> is being intellectual dishonest. In other words, we shouldn&#8217;t give such people one good reason to stop listening to what we have to say. Unfortunately, I see pro-lifers legitimately lose credibility with pro-choice people all the time, sometimes by using faulty arguments (yes, there are <a href=\"http:\/\/prolifepodcast.net\/2012\/02\/josh-brahm-live-9-faulty-pro-life-arguments-tactics\/\" target=\"_blank\">commonly used faulty pro-life arguments<\/a>) and sometimes by sharing things that are blatantly false. There are several popular ones going around Facebook right now that make me wince, but I don&#8217;t have time to get into all of them right now. I&#8217;ll save them for future posts.<\/p>\n<p>One of the areas we need to be super careful about is when we talk about fetal development &#8220;facts.&#8221; Just because you read something on a pro-life website doesn&#8217;t mean it&#8217;s true. (There&#8217;s a fetal development picture I see all the time that I&#8217;m about 80% sure is just a good painting, but I&#8217;m not posting it now because I have yet to confirm that it&#8217;s false.)<\/p>\n<p>Sometimes we don&#8217;t flat-out state inaccurate fetal development facts, but we imply them. That brings me to a pro-life film I watched recently called <em>To Be Born.<\/em> If you haven\u2019t seen the film yet, I\u2019d recommend clicking the embedded video below to watch before reading the rest of this article.<\/p>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" src=\"http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/R_C-jBMOJaI?rel=0\" frameborder=\"0\" width=\"560\" height=\"315\"><\/iframe><\/p>\n<p>Before reading on, you may also want to<strong>\u00a0<\/strong><a href=\"http:\/\/www.www.liveactionnews.org\/pop-culture\/to-be-born-an-interview-with-the-director-of-a-pro-life-film\/\" target=\"_blank\">read<\/a> or <a href=\"http:\/\/prolifepodcast.net\/2012\/04\/bonus-josh-brahm-interviews-ray-kaczmark-director-of-to-be-born%E2%80%B3\/\" target=\"_blank\">listen<\/a> to my interview with <em>To Be Born<\/em> director Rob Kaczmark.<\/p>\n<p><em>To Be Born<\/em> tells the story of a young woman who finds out she\u2019s pregnant, tells her jerky boyfriend, and is coerced into scheduling an abortion. The night before her appointment, she dreams that her aborted daughter writes her a letter from the grave, detailing the abortion experience from her perspective and forgiving her mother for making the abortion decision. The woman wakes up and cancels the appointment, and we are treated to a sequence of shots of her years later at the zoo and beach with her young daughter.<\/p>\n<p>I didn&#8217;t hate this film at all. I really liked how, unlike many Christian films that have equally good messages, <em>To Be Born<\/em> is a high-quality production.\u00a0<em>To Be Born<\/em>\u00a0also\u00a0takes abortion seriously &#8211; not just as something that physically harms women or makes them feel guilty later, but as an intrinsically immoral act that kills a valuable human being. We need more of this message in more mediums, especially when they\u2019re done with the production value that <em>To Be Born<\/em> has.<\/p>\n<p>The dream sequence uses crazy editing and sound design choices, but I don\u2019t have a problem with this outside the content of the letter. (More on that later.) I would say the dream sequence is over the top if the purpose of the movie is to make pro-choice people think about this issue differently. The pro-choice people I know would immediately call this cheesy and preachy, but if the purpose is to re-spark the fire that pro-life people should have about abortion, then I think that the editing\/sound design decisions made for the dream sequence in post-production amount to a <em>creative way for a filmmaker to convey the horror that abortion is <\/em>morally<em>.<\/em><\/p>\n<p>I\u2019m glad that the \u201cletter from an unborn child\u201d has reportedly been a part of saving many lives. (The letter that inspired this film, which has reportedly saved hundreds of lives, was modified for the purposes of the film. I hope the actual \u201cletter\u201d being used at abortion facilities is more accurate than the modified one used in this movie.)<\/p>\n<p>My hope is that pro-life people will see this film, and that it will reignite their passion for ending abortion.<\/p>\n<p><strong>But&#8230;<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>The fetal development facts implied by virtually the entire letter from the unborn child are all inaccurate. Remember, the mother has just learned she is pregnant. If she has a regular 28-day cycle, then she is probably 4-6 weeks pregnant LMP, with a 2- to 4-week embryo, post-fertilization. Here\u2019s what the letter implies is true about this embryo:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Able to hear<\/li>\n<li>Able to cry<\/li>\n<li>Able to feel fear<\/li>\n<li>Able to feel pain<\/li>\n<li>Able to have conscious thoughts<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Virtually none of these things is remotely accurate when talking about an early human embryo.<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Can embryos hear? <a href=\"http:\/\/www.mayoclinic.com\/health\/fetal-development\/PR00113\" target=\"_blank\">According to the Mayo Clinic<\/a>, the earliest an unborn child could conceivably hear anything would be <strong>16 weeks<\/strong> post-fertilization.<\/li>\n<li>Can embryos cry? <a href=\"http:\/\/fn.bmj.com\/content\/90\/5\/F415.full?sid=c716e8cd-297d-44f9-8f90-b69835358542\" target=\"_blank\">This 2005 article<\/a> published in the <em>British Medical Journal<\/em> reportedly documents for the first time fetuses crying in the womb. They suggest that fetal crying is possible from <strong>20 weeks<\/strong> post-fertilization. The youngest fetus they documented acting in a way that appears to be crying was 28 weeks post-fertilization.\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/fn.bmj.com\/content\/suppl\/2005\/08\/15\/adc.2004.062257.DC1\/Medium.mov\" target=\"_blank\">Watch a brief video<\/a> of alleged fetal crying here.<\/li>\n<li>Can embryos feel fear? <a href=\"http:\/\/jcem.endojournals.org\/content\/86\/1\/104.short\" target=\"_blank\">According to this article<\/a>, stress responses from procedures such as intrauterine needling are evident in fetuses as young as <strong>18 weeks<\/strong> post-fertilization. I\u2019m not sure the best word to describe what\u2019s going on there is \u201cfear,\u201d but that\u2019s probably a debatable issue.<\/li>\n<li>Can embryos feel pain? This is a hotly debated subject, but the likely answer is no, early embryos can\u2019t feel pain. <a href=\"http:\/\/www.str.org\/site\/DocServer\/fetal_pain.pdf?docID=161\" target=\"_blank\">Steve Wagner has written a great piece<\/a> on how pro-lifers should think about fetal pain, and he lists the best research on fetal pain that had been done up to that time. It\u2019s his position that the earliest a fetus likely feels pain is <strong>20 weeks<\/strong>post-fertilization, although he leaves the possibility open that it could happen a little earlier.\n<ul>\n<li>At least one state passed a fetal pain law in the last few years, and as far as I know, these types of laws always draw the fetal pain line at 20 weeks post-fertilization because that\u2019s when it is most clear that fetuses can actually feel pain.<\/li>\n<li>On the other hand, I\u2019ve had a research intern named Christopher Bowen read every single piece on fetal pain, and he will be publishing an article later this year summarizing his findings. The article will be released at the same time as a <em><a href=\"http:\/\/prolifepodcast.net\" target=\"_blank\">Life Report<\/a><\/em>episode on the same subject. This is his conclusion:\n<ul>\n<li>\u201cIt&#8217;s my opinion that once the thalamus has been formed, at 10 weeks post-fertilization, this marks the earliest that the fetus has the capability to consciously perceive pain at least on some primal level, and can definitely feel pain by <strong>14 weeks<\/strong> post-fertilization.\u201d<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<li>Can embryos have conscious thoughts, in the way depicted in the dream? No &#8211; certainly not a 2- to 4-week embryo with a very young, developing brain. Perhaps a late-term fetus, depending on how you define \u201cconscious thought,\u201d but again, not an embryo.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Some people will accuse me of being nit-picky, but I have several principled reasons why I think pro-lifers should be careful when quoting fetal development facts.<\/p>\n<p>First of all, we should endeavor to be truthful when making our case in the public square. If you convince a pro-choice person to change his view on abortion based on stories you tell of embryos feeling pain and horror during an abortion, then that person will change his mind right back as soon as he learns that you got your facts wrong. Even worse, he will likely resent you or at least lose respect for you and perhaps the entire pro-life movement after learning that at best, you didn\u2019t do your research and at worst, you lied to him in order to change his mind.<\/p>\n<p>Secondly, I\u2019ve witnessed several well-meaning pro-life advocates get publicly embarrassed when a pro-choice advocate catches the pro-lifer stating something false about fetal development. As pro-life advocates, we want our facts and knowledge to be indisputable, so that people will also take our philosophical ideas more seriously.<\/p>\n<p>Someone might say that because <em>To Be Born<\/em> implies fetal development facts during a dream sequence, it doesn\u2019t have to be accurate. \u201cHow many young mothers have perfectly accurate pregnancy dreams?\u201d<\/p>\n<p>I think that\u2019s a valid argument, but I still disagree with the decision Spirit Juice Studios made to imply so many inaccurate fetal development facts in their film. The negatives outweigh any possible positives that could come from this. <a href=\"http:\/\/www.www.liveactionnews.org\/pop-culture\/to-be-born-an-interview-with-the-director-of-a-pro-life-film\/\" target=\"_blank\">When I interviewed director Ray Kaczmark<\/a> and questioned him about this, he admitted he didn\u2019t have a good answer for me. He said they did think about this during pre-production, but they ended up deciding that \u201cit\u2019s [just] a movie.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><em>I believe there are some pro-life people who will see this film and leave it more passionate about abortion, but more confused about the babies abortion kills.<\/em> I think the automatic assumption for many will be that because this movie has such high production values, it was also carefully researched. Unfortunately, it wasn\u2019t.<\/p>\n<p>It\u2019s not just the voice-over, either. Several times during the dream sequence, there are cuts to 4D ultrasound images, and the implication is that you\u2019re seeing the unborn child about to be aborted. Here\u2019s a screenshot from the film:<\/p>\n<div id=\"attachment_14407\" style=\"width: 310px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"http:\/\/www.www.liveactionnews.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/04\/tobeborn4dultrasound.jpg\"><img aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-14407\" decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-14407\" src=\"http:\/\/www.www.liveactionnews.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/04\/tobeborn4dultrasound-300x167.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"167\" srcset=\"https:\/\/archive.liveaction.org\/news\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/04\/tobeborn4dultrasound-300x167.jpg 300w, https:\/\/archive.liveaction.org\/news\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/04\/tobeborn4dultrasound.jpg 497w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><p id=\"caption-attachment-14407\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Screenshot from To Be Born<\/p><\/div>\n<p>That is not what a 2- to 4-week embryo looks like. I can\u2019t even find 4D ultrasounds of embryos that young because 4D ultrasounds of fetuses younger than 12 weeks look pretty weird. Here\u2019s an image from <a href=\"http:\/\/EHD.org\" target=\"_blank\">EHD.org<\/a> of what a 2- to 4-week embryo looks like:<\/p>\n<div id=\"attachment_14410\" style=\"width: 310px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"http:\/\/www.www.liveactionnews.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/04\/4weekembryo.jpg\"><img aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-14410\" decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-14410\" src=\"http:\/\/www.www.liveactionnews.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/04\/4weekembryo-300x149.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"149\" srcset=\"https:\/\/archive.liveaction.org\/news\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/04\/4weekembryo-300x149.jpg 300w, https:\/\/archive.liveaction.org\/news\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/04\/4weekembryo.jpg 499w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><p id=\"caption-attachment-14410\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">4-week embryo &#8211; EHD.org<\/p><\/div>\n<p>Sadly, many pro-choice people think pro-lifers are crazy for arguing that the image above shows a child with a basic right to life, when it looks so \u201cweird,\u201d but that\u2019s what all humans look like at that stage of development. Furthermore, we shouldn\u2019t judge a human\u2019s right to live based on what he or she looks like. The \u201celephant man\u201d was human, albeit disfigured. In <a href=\"http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=sF19L00KbAI\" target=\"_blank\">one of the most touching scenes in cinematic history<\/a>, he yells to the mob about to beat him, \u201cI am not an animal! I am a human being!\u201d<\/p>\n<p><strong>Conclusion<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>I would recommend <em>not<\/em> showing this film to pro-choice people. They\u2019ve caught pro-lifers before using incorrect scientific facts. I don\u2019t want to add anything to that pile of evidence.<\/p>\n<p>However, few pro-life films have been made thus far with such high production value that also take abortion this seriously. I think pro-lifers should see it, but know beforehand not to take the implied fetal development information as factual.<\/p>\n<div id=\"attachment_17826\" style=\"width: 171px\" class=\"wp-caption alignright\"><a href=\"http:\/\/www.www.liveactionnews.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/06\/rob.jpg\"><img aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-17826\" decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\" wp-image-17826  \" src=\"http:\/\/www.www.liveactionnews.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/06\/rob-224x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"161\" height=\"216\" srcset=\"https:\/\/archive.liveaction.org\/news\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/06\/rob-224x300.jpg 224w, https:\/\/archive.liveaction.org\/news\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/06\/rob.jpg 235w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 161px) 100vw, 161px\" \/><\/a><p id=\"caption-attachment-17826\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Rob Kaczmark<\/p><\/div>\n<p>By the way,\u00a0Rob Kaczmark and I have discussed the issues in this article more since I first interviewed him. In fact, I sent him the most damning section of this article in an e-mail, and he responded with genuine humility and eagerness to learn and do things differently the next time around. This is a man who spent probably hundreds of hours working on this piece, and most people in his position would react to me critiquing the film with resentment at best, and hate at worst. Rob did neither of those things. I think we could all learn a lesson about humility from Rob.<\/p>\n<p>I&#8217;ve screwed up lots of times. I&#8217;ve <a href=\"http:\/\/youtu.be\/iqgW5BAX_T8\" target=\"_blank\">twice<\/a> <a href=\"http:\/\/youtu.be\/uCLSNQTjYkc\" target=\"_blank\">now<\/a>\u00a0published videos correcting things I said on the air that were factually incorrect. It happens. But when it does we should respond in humility and correct the record if possible, because as a pro-choice friend of mine said, <strong><em>&#8220;I would rather be shown I&#8217;m wrong by a million people than to be wrong and agreed with.&#8221;<\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Pro-life friends, let&#8217;s be <em>more committed to truth than to ideology<\/em>. 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