{"id":14263,"date":"2012-04-03T10:00:35","date_gmt":"2012-04-03T14:00:35","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.www.liveactionnews.org\/?p=14263"},"modified":"2013-04-03T01:35:14","modified_gmt":"2013-04-03T05:35:14","slug":"to-be-born-an-interview-with-the-director-of-a-pro-life-film","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/archive.liveaction.org\/news\/to-be-born-an-interview-with-the-director-of-a-pro-life-film\/","title":{"rendered":"<em>To Be Born<\/em>: watch the new pro-life film directed by Rob Kaczmark"},"content":{"rendered":"<div style=\"margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;\" class=\"sharethis-inline-share-buttons\" ><\/div><p>A Catholic film studio called Spirit Juice Studios released a short pro-life film called <em>To Be Born<\/em> last June. If you haven\u2019t seen it yet, you can watch it for free at <a href=\"http:\/\/ToBeBorn.com\" target=\"_blank\">ToBeBorn.com<\/a>, or click the embedded video below. I had the opportunity to interview Rob Kaczmark, the director of <em>To Be Born<\/em>, to ask him some questions about the movie. You can listen to the full audio interview (19 minutes) by <a href=\"http:\/\/prolifepodcast.net\/2012\/04\/bonus-josh-brahm-interviews-ray-kaczmark-director-of-to-be-born%E2%80%B3\/\" target=\"_blank\">clicking here<\/a>, or you can read the transcript below. I will be publishing a review of the film later this week.<\/p>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" src=\"http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/R_C-jBMOJaI\" frameborder=\"0\" width=\"560\" height=\"315\"><\/iframe><\/p>\n<div>\n<p><strong>Josh Brahm: This is Josh Brahm, host of Life Report, and I\u2019m here with Rob Kazmark, who&#8217;s the production manager at Spirit Juice Studios. Rob, let\u2019s just start with this: what is Spirit Juice Studios?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Rob Kazmark: Spirit Juice Studios is a Catholic production company. We\u2019ve been around for about five years now. And we focus on Catholic organizations and try to help them through media. You know, better market themselves through video production, websites.<\/p>\n<p><strong>JB: Let\u2019s talk about this movie, <em>To Be Born<\/em>. What was the inspiration behind the film, and why did you produce it?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>RK: Well, I\u2019m pretty sure that someone we work with came to us and said, you know, I got this priest and this letter from the unborn child that he\u2019s been using in front of clinics for ten years, and he saves hundreds of babies with it. And he wants to adapt it to a film. And so he\u2019s like, would you mind meeting him and getting together? So I sat down with him, and \u2013 great priest, real good heart. He really just has a love for the the pro-life work. So we took a look at the script, and it really wasn\u2019t a script; it was more like a letter from the unborn child. And so we said, to really make this into a film that\u2019s gonna make some impact, it\u2019s gonna need some work, and the monies that you fundraised weren\u2019t quite enough, and so we said, \u201cWell, how about this. We\u2019ll help you out with it. We\u2019ll fill in the cracks for it and make it all come together.\u201d So he was very open to that. And so we really adapted to the letter and the script and kind of gave, you know \u2013 who\u2019s the mother, why\u2019d she\u2019s even considering having the abortion, was the father there? Just all the little elements that you need in a story. We did casting for it, the whole nine yards. And it kind of just came together.<\/p>\n<p><strong>JB: What makes <em>To Be Born<\/em> different from other pro-life films that are already available?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>RK: I think every pro-life film has its value. They all serve a different demographic within the pro-life arena. I think ours really goes after, as far as the marketability, the same thing that the letter did. Father Steven would stand outside his clinics, praying, and if a girl &#8211; if he had a chance to talk to them he would have them read this letter. It\u2019s a first-person perspective from the child during the abortion. So I think the film is very powerful in that &#8211; in women who are considering having an abortion &#8211; they just kind of need some guidance. I think this is gonna help guide them to see what the horrors of abortion are.<\/p>\n<p>I mean, the film is a little intense. We\u2019ve had people let us know that. But it was done purposely. Before we started working on it, Father Steven recommended that I watch a medical procedure of an abortion. Before I got involved, I was very much pro-life[, but] I wasn\u2019t that knowledgeable in it. He goes, \u201cI\u2019ve got a DVD. It\u2019s literally a medical procedure of an abortion.\u201d He\u2019s like, \u201cThere\u2019s no agenda. It\u2019s just a video.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>It really rocked my whole per &#8211; not even my whole perception, because I knew that\u2019s what happened before, but once you actually see it &#8211; once you see body parts being pulled out from a woman, it really does a number on your brain. And it really impacted me. And so I wanted the abortion scene in the film, to reflect that badness, that craziness, that just absurdness that a human being is being dismembered.<\/p>\n<p><strong>JB: I agree, certainly, that middle part is really intense. But I think I\u2019m fine with that, because how else do you creatively try to demonstrate or move people? But I think it tries to be equal to how horrible abortion is morally, with the horror music and all that stuff. That\u2019s a creative way to demonstrate the horror, morally, that is abortion.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>RK: Right. That\u2019s a great analogy.<\/p>\n<p><strong>JB: What has the response been to the movie so far?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>RK: It\u2019s been very good. We worked on it for about two years because we really wanted to get it perfected. So we got a lot of feedback throughout the process, doing small screenings. Early on there was some criticism, and so we tried to adapt it a little bit and change it so it would please a majority of the people who were gonna watch it.<\/p>\n<p>When we debuted it, we rented out a theater and there were like 400 seats in it which completely sold out, so that was great. And as far as online [goes], it was doing pretty good. We have it in three different languages: English, Spanish, and Polish. It did really good right out of the can, [but] I think we didn\u2019t have the proper marketing budget to really keep getting it out there. And so I would say it\u2019s leveled off. But it just kind of stayed where it\u2019s at. We had a little mishap with our YouTube channel, so we had to reupload it.<\/p>\n<p><strong>JB: What happened there?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>RK: One day our YouTube channel was deleted. A majority of the stuff we had on there is religious, and we had just recently uploaded <em>To Be Born<\/em>. We tried contacting YouTube, [but] they\u2019re not too concerned about people\u2019s stuff, so we got no response. Basically, our account was hacked. When I tried to log in, our password didn\u2019t work. And so I think that someone logged in, did something that they shouldn\u2019t have to sabotage us. It was a bit of a bummer at that point. Collectively, on our YouTube channel, we had about a half a million views.<\/p>\n<p>[At that time] I often thought of &#8211; it\u2019s actually Mother Theresa\u2019s quote, but it\u2019s something she had hanging up in, I think, one of the houses she started. But one of the quotes is, \u201cWhat it takes you years to build, others can destroy overnight. Build anyways.\u201d And so I just kept that rolling through my head, to not get discouraged.<\/p>\n<p><strong>JB: Do you know what results have come from the film? Do you have testimonies or people saying they didn\u2019t have an abortion because of this?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>RK: Yeah. I need to do a better job of collecting all of it, but even when it was just being screened, like the rough cuts of it, I\u2019d give a DVD copy to Father Steven so he can check it out. And I said, \u201cOkay, don\u2019t share this. I just want you to look at it and tell me your thoughts.\u201d And he\u2019d come back and be like, \u201cRob, I\u2019m sorry; I had to show it to some people, but it saved someone\u2019s life already.\u201d Father Steven has so many stories of how this film has changed a young woman\u2019s decision, [has made her decide] to keep their baby. And before it was even finished, it was changing a girl\u2019s life.<\/p>\n<p>I do need to do a better job putting all that in a collective resource.<\/p>\n<p><strong>JB: What kind of response have you received from pro-life activists or professional pro-life people?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>RK: Overwhelmingly positive. Some of the top people who have spoke out and gave us some pretty fantastic quotes. Abby Johnson &#8211; she gave a just fantastic quote. Jason Jones, he\u2019s one of our title quotes on the DVD: \u201cThis little film will change the world.\u201d That\u2019s awesome. Steve McEveety &#8211; you know, from Empower, and also Preaching with Passion &#8211; said it\u2019s the most powerful pro-life short film he\u2019d ever seen. We have local workers in different women\u2019s centers who have spoken out and said it was great. I\u2019m trying to think &#8211; I have a whole list of them, I could probably pull it up.<\/p>\n<p><strong>JB: What kind of responses have you received from pro-choice advocates?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>RK: The only ones that I know of are the YouTube comments. And&#8230;<\/p>\n<p><strong>JB: Those are not always the most intelligent comments.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>RK: Yeah. Unfortunately, they\u2019re not &#8211; you know, really quick low jabs. It\u2019s interesting that you bring that up, because we haven\u2019t actually sought out pro-choice advocates and tried to get their thoughts in there. Probably because we know they\u2019re just not gonna like it anyways and just don\u2019t want to hear the criticisms from them. But that\u2019s interesting. I would be curious to hear what they would say.<\/p>\n<p><strong>JB: Let me ask you this first. Is the text of the letter that\u2019s heard in the voice-over of the film &#8211; is that exactly the same as the priest has been using, or did you guys modify it?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>RK: We did modify it a little bit. It worked on its own, but it wasn\u2019t really in chronologically order. But we had revisions with Father Steven to make sure he was comfortable with it. And it was actually written by a woman, Marisol &#8211; I believe Marisol Hernandez wrote it. I believe there\u2019s a few of them floating around. I\u2019ve seen a few of them out there.<\/p>\n<p><strong>JB: Well, the main question that came up in my mind when I saw the film &#8211; I think the only potential complaint I might have with it, but I want to ask you about it, is clearly you guys were careful in the scriptwriting process. But talk to me about the decision to portray the embryo as somebody who is able to hear, able to cry, able to feel fear and pain, able to sense Mom\u2019s emotions, has conscious thoughts. You know, these are things &#8211; I mean, in the film, the mom has just had a positive pregnancy test so we\u2019re talking about an early embryo here at this point. And these are things that don\u2019t happen in the first trimester. Was there thought about that or a reason for that?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>RK: That\u2019s interesting that you bring that up, \u2018cause one of the thoughts kind of piggy-backing on that is if it was that early on in the pregnancy &#8211; you should probably know there are three types of abortion. The medical names escape me for the moment. So if it was that early on, they wouldn\u2019t actually perform that type of abortion.<\/p>\n<p><strong>JB: That\u2019s correct.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>RK: They\u2019d have to use the vacuum. And it\u2019d have to be, I think it\u2019s three to six months where it\u2019s D&amp;E, is that what it\u2019s called?<\/p>\n<p><strong>JB: That\u2019s correct.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>RK: And then if it\u2019s late-term, it\u2019s obviously much different, but that actually was one of the biggest things we were thinking about. \u2018Cause we were like, you know, it\u2019s so early on, this doesn\u2019t make sense to have this type of abortion. How could we go around this? And then finally we said we just don\u2019t know how to get around this &#8211; how to account for the fact that the baby could hear her, interact with her and stuff. I guess we just thought, well, it\u2019s a film, and so this is sort of the concept of it, and if you can go with it, good. I don\u2019t know. I guess I don\u2019t have a great answer for that.<\/p>\n<p><strong>JB: I think my concern is that at the very least, other pro-life people seeing it will assume this is all based on research and fetal development facts. And you\u2019ll have the same thing where people saw <em>Juno<\/em> and thought that first-trimester babies have fingernails and things like that. And so I guess I\u2019m just concerned about if there\u2019ll be this effect of people now giving out false information about fetal development.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>RK: That\u2019s a good point. It\u2019s funny &#8211; only one person had really tried to screen this and get quotes from pro-life advocates. So only one person had pointed that out. And we had thought that everyone was gonna point that out.<\/p>\n<p>I guess this film is focused more on the story than&#8230;I want to say the hard facts. It is factual except for the sense that if it was that early on, that sort of abortion wouldn\u2019t occur. It\u2019d be a different type of abortion. And so &#8211; yeah, there is that.<\/p>\n<p>Again, we thought about this long and hard when we were making it. We thought it\u2019d be strong to show [the story] early on &#8211; telling her boyfriend[, etc.]. I guess it was a creative choice. Maybe we should have a disclaimer on it at the beginning and say, \u201cactually, it would be a different type of abortion, but for the sake of the movie, we decided to go this route.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><strong>JB: Yeah, maybe. What do you hope to accomplish with this film, Rob?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>RK: There was a couple goals with this. The first goal is to obviously make something that could impact a woman\u2019s choice in a positive way. Make her see that having a baby is a positive thing and is the better choice. But also the goal was to make a high-quality pro-life film. Or short film, rather. I\u2019ve seen a great number out there, and there are some good ones and some that maybe aren\u2019t extremely high-quality. So I wanted to give justice to the cause. I didn\u2019t want to have one that wasn\u2019t up to par. And so I hope that we accomplished it.<\/p>\n<p>When I look at [the film,] I could still pick it apart and wish that technically there are some things we did differently and all that. But I do that, really, with anything I\u2019ve worked on. So I would just say the two main goals are something that could hopefully affect women and also give justice to the cause in a sense of something that\u2019s high-quality.<\/p>\n<p><strong>JB: Do you plan to make more pro-life films in the future?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>RK: Yeah. We\u2019re actually working on a pro-life documentary right now called <em>Forty<\/em>. It\u2019s pro-life champions &#8211; working with them, they hired us to do the production of it. But it\u2019s very interesting. It\u2019s about forty years of pro-life in America, and it\u2019s kind of trying to take &#8211; I wouldn\u2019t say trying to take religion out of it, but showing that being pro-life isn\u2019t necessarily a religious issue. [It&#8217;s] kind of showing some of the other groups that are out there. You know, Atheists for Life, Feminists for Life. Just all the different groups that are pro-life that don&#8217;t have any sort of religious backing in there. And, you know, showing some of the religious people as well. But really just showing that this really is the civil rights movement. It\u2019s a human rights issue. And it\u2019s really the defining issue of our time. I just read something that nine times more people have been killed in abortion than in the Holocaust.<\/p>\n<p><strong>JB: Yep.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>RK: I think that\u2019s an accurate number. And I knew the numbers were up there, but I didn\u2019t realize it was nine times. That\u2019s a lot. That\u2019s a lot.<\/p>\n<p><strong>JB: Okay, Rob. Where can people view <em>To Be Born<\/em>?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Rob Kazmark: ToBeBorn.com. Just go online there for free, and if you want to purchase it, you can also purchase a copy of the DVD.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<p><em>Thanks to Clinton Wilcox for providing the transcript.<\/em><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>A Catholic film studio called Spirit Juice Studios released a short pro-life film called To Be Born last June. If you haven\u2019t seen it yet, you can watch it for free at ToBeBorn.com, or click the embedded video below. 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