{"id":128931,"date":"2016-10-20T15:45:25","date_gmt":"2016-10-20T20:45:25","guid":{"rendered":"\/news\/?p=128931"},"modified":"2024-09-20T12:21:06","modified_gmt":"2024-09-20T17:21:06","slug":"washington-post-gets-fact-check-on-trumps-9-month-abortion-answer-wrong","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/archive.liveaction.org\/news\/washington-post-gets-fact-check-on-trumps-9-month-abortion-answer-wrong\/","title":{"rendered":"Washington Post gets &#8220;fact check&#8221; on Trump&#8217;s 9-month abortion answer wrong"},"content":{"rendered":"<div style=\"margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;\" class=\"sharethis-inline-share-buttons\" ><\/div><p>Abortion took center stage surprisingly early during last night\u2019s final presidential debate between Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=dGQGwIr47YY\">video<\/a>, <a href=\"http:\/\/www.politico.com\/story\/2016\/10\/full-transcript-third-2016-presidential-debate-230063\">transcript<\/a>), with moderator Chris Wallace posing the question of partial-birth abortion to Hillary Clinton.<\/p>\n<p>What\u2019s not surprising? That whenever attention is drawn to the abortion movement\u2019s extremism, the media will lie about it. Washington Post \u201cfact-checker\u201d Glenn Kessler <a href=\"https:\/\/www.washingtonpost.com\/politics\/2016\/live-updates\/general-election\/real-time-fact-checking-and-analysis-of-the-final-2016-presidential-debate\/fact-check-trumps-claim-on-abortions-up-until-the-moment-of-birth\/?tid=sm_fb\">took issue<\/a> with Trump\u2019s statement, \u201cin the ninth month you can take the baby and rip the baby right out of the womb, just prior to the birth of the baby,\u201d claiming \u201c[t]hat doesn\u2019t really happen\u201d:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Most abortions take place early in the pregnancy. One-third take place at six weeks of pregnancy or earlier; 89 percent occur in the first 12 weeks, according to the Guttmacher Institute, which supports abortion rights. Only 1.2 percent of abortions\u2014about 12,000 a year\u2013 take place after 21 weeks. (The Supreme Court has held that states may not prohibit abortions \u201cnecessary to preserve the life or health\u201d of the mother.)<\/p>\n<p>On top of that, Guttmacher says that 43 states already prohibit some abortions after a certain point in pregnancy, such as fetal viability, in the third trimester or after a certain number of weeks. So this is already a rare procedure that is prohibited in much of the country.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<div class=\"ArticleAd1\">\n<p><!-- \/1011927\/LAN_300_by_250_top_article --><\/p>\n<div id=\"div-gpt-ad-1473179053567-0\" class=\"ArticleAd1a\"><script>\ngoogletag.cmd.push(function() { googletag.display('div-gpt-ad-1473179053567-0'); });\n<\/script><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p>It shouldn\u2019t take a supposedly-professional fact-checker to miss the most egregious problem with Kessler\u2019s spin: he\u2019s putting words in Trump\u2019s mouth and correcting <em>those<\/em> rather than analyzing what Trump actually said. Here is Trump\u2019s entire partial-birth abortion answer:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Well I think it is terrible. If you go with what Hillary is saying, in the ninth month you can take baby and rip the baby out of the womb of the mother just prior to the birth of the baby. Now, you can say that that is okay and Hillary can say that that is okay, but it&#8217;s not okay with me. Because based on what she is saying and based on where she&#8217;s going and where she&#8217;s been, you can take baby and rip the baby out of the womb. In the ninth month. On the final day. And that&#8217;s not acceptable [\u2026]<\/p>\n<p>And honestly, nobody has business doing what I just said. Doing that as late as one or two or three or four days prior to birth. Nobody has that.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Trump <em>never suggested<\/em> partial-birth or nine-month abortions were common. He didn\u2019t say a word about their frequency. His only point was that <a href=\"\/news\/late-term-abortion-happen-america\/\">they can be done<\/a>, and Clinton <a href=\"https:\/\/www.c-span.org\/video\/?175458-1\/senate-session\">is not opposed to\u00a0it<\/a>\u2014both of which are true. Nor did Trump speculate or generalize as to the reasons why some women seek these gruesome abortions.<\/p>\n<p>As Live Action\u2019s Kristi Burton Brown <a href=\"\/news\/late-term-abortion-happen-america\/\">pointed out<\/a> this morning, <em>seven states<\/em> outright allow abortions up to the final day of pregnancy. More to the point, even though the rest of the country may theoretically draw the line earlier, <a href=\"\/news\/abortion-advocate-hysteria-after-oreilly-calls-out-health-exception-abortion-loophole\/\">in practice the Supreme Court mandates \u201chealth exceptions\u201d in the third trimester that are defined so broadly<\/a> that abortions can be justified for whatever pretext an abortionist can conjure up.<\/p>\n<div id=\"attachment_26627\" style=\"width: 621px\" class=\"wp-caption alignright\"><img aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-26627\" decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"size-full wp-image-26627\" src=\"https:\/\/www.liveactionnews.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/01\/Screen-Shot-2013-01-31-at-3.55.51-PM.png\" alt=\"A shot from &quot;After Tiller&quot; (L to R: LeRoy Carhart, George Tiller, Susan Robinson, Shelly Sella)\" width=\"611\" height=\"254\" srcset=\"https:\/\/archive.liveaction.org\/news\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/01\/Screen-Shot-2013-01-31-at-3.55.51-PM.png 611w, https:\/\/archive.liveaction.org\/news\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/01\/Screen-Shot-2013-01-31-at-3.55.51-PM-300x124.png 300w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 611px) 100vw, 611px\" \/><p id=\"caption-attachment-26627\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">A shot from &#8220;After Tiller&#8221; (L to R: LeRoy Carhart, George Tiller, Shelly Sella, Susan Robinson)<\/p><\/div>\n<p>And boy, do they conjure. In 2013, Live Action News\u2019 Sarah Terzo <a href=\"\/news\/third-trimester-abortion-in-america\/\">detailed<\/a> third-trimester abortionist Susan Robinson admitting there were women who sought her services not for deadly illnesses threatening themselves or their babies, but because they \u201cdidn\u2019t know they were pregnant\u201d for \u201cone reason or another\u201d; and George Tiller admitting that only 800 of the 10,000 late-term abortions (less than ten\u00a0percent) his office performed from 1990-1995 were for fetal anomalies.<\/p>\n<p>By the way, even \u201cfetal anomalies\u201d can be misleading. While abortion apologists deploy it to give the impression they\u2019re only talking about desperate situations like anencephaly, late-term abortionist Warren Hern\u2014who pro-aborts endorse as representative enough of the field to be lionized in the documentary <em>After Tiller<\/em>\u2014<a href=\"\/news\/new-movie-sanitizes-sickest-butchers-abortion-industry-offer\/\">identifies<\/a> dwarfism as one of the \u201cfetal abnormalities\u201d for which he offers his lethal services.<\/p>\n<p>Sarah also cites a 1996 Washington Post <a href=\"https:\/\/www.washingtonpost.com\/archive\/lifestyle\/wellness\/1996\/09\/17\/late-term-abortions\/f15ae3a6-9711-45cc-9c13-e5160d293489\/\">report<\/a> by David Brown, which admitted (emphasis added):<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>But it is not possible to speak with certainty about who undergoes &#8220;intact D &amp; E,&#8221; as the &#8220;partial-birth abortion&#8221; is known in medicine. The federal government does not collect such information. Physicians do not have to report it to state health departments.<\/p>\n<p>Researchers do not study the question or publish their findings in medical journals.<\/p>\n<p>Interviews with doctors who use the procedure and public comments by others show that the situation is much more complex. <strong>These doctors say that while a significant number of their patients have late abortions for medical reasons, many others &#8212; perhaps the majority &#8212; do not<\/strong>. Often they are young or poor. Some are victims of rape or incest.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Really puts in perspective how far downhill WaPo\u2019s fact-checking has gone, doesn\u2019t it?<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-67013\" src=\"https:\/\/www.liveactionnews.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/07\/partialbirthabortion.jpg\" alt=\"partialbirthabortion\" width=\"672\" height=\"372\" srcset=\"https:\/\/archive.liveaction.org\/news\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/07\/partialbirthabortion.jpg 672w, https:\/\/archive.liveaction.org\/news\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/07\/partialbirthabortion-300x166.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 672px) 100vw, 672px\" \/><\/p>\n<p>The Federalist\u2019s David Harsanyi <a href=\"http:\/\/thefederalist.com\/2016\/10\/20\/the-five-most-outrageous-hillary-clinton-lies-from-the-last-debate\/\">offers more facts<\/a> Kessler somehow missed:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Abortionist Leroy Carhart was taped admitting that he often performs elective late-term abortions at 26 weeks \u201cor more.\u201d Martin Haskell, the pioneer of partial-birth abortion, was once taped <a href=\"http:\/\/www.lifenews.com\/2012\/08\/10\/most-late-term-abortions-are-not-done-for-medical-reasons\/\">acknowledging<\/a> that 80 percent of abortions after 20 weeks were \u201cpurely elective.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>The evidence comports with Haskell\u2019s claim. The pro-life Charlotte-Lozier Institute, using data from medical literature and late-term abortion providers,\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/lozierinstitute.org\/the-reality-of-late-term-abortion-procedures\/\">found<\/a> that the majority of these procedures are not performed for \u201cmaternal health complications or lethal fetal anomalies discovered late in pregnancy.\u201d The pro-abortion Guttmacher Institute <a href=\"http:\/\/www.factcheck.org\/2015\/09\/clinton-off-on-late-term-abortions\/\">found <\/a>that in \u201cmany ways, women who had later abortions were similar to those who obtained first-trimester procedures.\u201d Which is to say convenience.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Finally, all of the above does apply to Hillary Clinton\u2019s own position. In last night&#8217;s debate, she stated\u00a0she was\u00a0standing up for cases where women found out \u201ctheir health is in jeopardy if they continue to carry to term,\u201d or \u201csomething terrible has happened or just been discovered about the pregnancy,\u201d but as I\u2019ve documented <a href=\"\/news\/rubio-right-call-hillary-clinton-pro-abortion-even-due-date\/\">here<\/a> and <a href=\"\/news\/daily-beast-writer-falsely-asserts-clinton-doesnt-support-partial-birth-abortion\/\">here<\/a>, she has\u00a0condemned both the federal partial-birth abortion ban and the 20-week abortion ban as extreme and dangerous, even though both bills contained exceptions for risks to the mother.<\/p>\n<p>Some other\u00a0public comments from Clinton &#8212; declaring \u201cgovernment should have no role\u201d in restricting abortion, and calling partial-birth abortion a \u201cfundamental right\u201d and \u201ccomplex and highly personal\u201d decision &#8212; make abundantly clear that Clinton does not\u00a0support what she has called\u00a0\u201creasonable kinds of restrictions.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>For trying to pass off blatant straw-manning as checking facts, we give Glenn Kessler and the Washington Post four Pinocchios.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Abortion took center stage surprisingly early during last night\u2019s final presidential debate between Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton (video, transcript), with moderator Chris Wallace posing the question of partial-birth abortion to Hillary Clinton. What\u2019s not surprising? That whenever attention is drawn to the abortion movement\u2019s extremism, the media will lie about it. Washington Post \u201cfact-checker\u201d [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":54,"featured_media":128936,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"om_disable_all_campaigns":false},"categories":[20722,4,11],"tags":[],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v20.7 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/wordpress\/plugins\/seo\/ -->\n<title>Washington Post gets &quot;fact check&quot; on Trump&#039;s 9-month abortion answer wrong<\/title>\n<meta name=\"description\" content=\"For trying to pass off blatant straw-manning as checking facts, we give Glenn Kessler and the Washington Post four Pinocchios.\" \/>\n<meta name=\"robots\" content=\"index, follow, max-snippet:-1, max-image-preview:large, max-video-preview:-1\" \/>\n<link rel=\"canonical\" href=\"https:\/\/archive.liveaction.org\/news\/washington-post-gets-fact-check-on-trumps-9-month-abortion-answer-wrong\/\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:locale\" content=\"en_US\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:type\" content=\"article\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:title\" content=\"Washington Post gets &quot;fact check&quot; 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