{"id":126154,"date":"2016-09-20T13:55:11","date_gmt":"2016-09-20T17:55:11","guid":{"rendered":"\/news\/?p=126154"},"modified":"2016-09-18T21:56:12","modified_gmt":"2016-09-19T01:56:12","slug":"abortion-religion-false-assumptions","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/archive.liveaction.org\/news\/abortion-religion-false-assumptions\/","title":{"rendered":"Abortion, religion, and false assumptions"},"content":{"rendered":"<div style=\"margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;\" class=\"sharethis-inline-share-buttons\" ><\/div><p>Upon engaging in discussions about abortion, one will quickly discover that some pro-choice\u00a0debaters have\u00a0nothing relevant\u00a0to contribute to the conversation. Instead of discussing the issues at hand, they\u00a0repeatedly shout broad attacks &#8211; not directly\u00a0on pro-life\u00a0views, but\u00a0on religious views they assume to be held by pro-lifers. Don&#8217;t believe me? Just take a few minutes to read through the comment threads\u00a0here at Live Action News.<\/p>\n<p>Often, such irrelevant comments sound something like this: &#8220;You pro-lifers are religious idiots! You magical thinkers believe that snakes and donkeys can talk!&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>Regardless of whether they occur in online discussions\u00a0or other arenas, clearly such comments are ridiculous on several levels. First, they are based on wildly\u00a0inaccurate stereotypes of the pro-life movement. Many pro-lifers, including myself, are non-religious &#8211; and in some cases even actively\u00a0opposed to religion. In an excellent article entitled &#8220;<a href=\"http:\/\/www.opposingviews.com\/i\/religion\/you-can-be-atheist-and-still-be-pro-life\">You Can Be an Atheist and Still Be Pro-Life<\/a>,&#8221; Kelsey Hazzard, president of <a href=\"http:\/\/www.secularprolife.org\/\">Secular Pro-Life<\/a>, destroys the myth that pro-life ideals are inherently based on religion, turning the\u00a0argument back on abortion supporters\u00a0in\u00a0revealing that &#8220;magical thinking is embedded in Roe v. Wade itself.&#8221;<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>The pro-choice movement as a whole could not survive without magical thinking.\u00a0Pro-choice leaders are not about to educate their many supporters who believe either that abortion doesn\u2019t really kill, or that the baby was never alive to begin with.\u00a0Ignorance is votes.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>In addition to\u00a0employing wildly inaccurate stereotypes, pro-choice debaters who\u00a0rely on objections to religion for their arguments are apparently\u00a0ignorant to the obvious fact that\u00a0religion can work both ways here. Consider the case of pro-choice activist\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/www.bustle.com\/articles\/183759-this-feminist-rabbi-is-dismantling-the-abortion-vs-religion-debate\">Rabbi Lori Koffman.<\/a><\/p>\n<p>On her decision to become a rabbi, she says, &#8220;It was a sort of irrational, illogical thing&#8230;I kept thinking, &#8216;Oh my god, crazy voices are talking to me, but I have to start listening to the crazy voices or they won&#8217;t go away. Either that or medicate myself.'&#8221; Koffman admits\u00a0that she views the world through the lens of her religion. She also explicitly\u00a0confesses that she views abortion as &#8220;a religious issue.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>Not only does Koffman view abortion as a religious issue, she actually considers it holy, calling the\u00a0choice\u00a0&#8220;one of the holiest decisions anyone will ever make.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>Now, it might just be me, but Koffman&#8217;s stance seems to be largely based on superstitious,\u00a0blind, &#8220;crazy&#8221;\u00a0religious faith. Not science. Not logic. Faith. However,\u00a0the rational person interested in relevant discussion would not use this as an excuse to attack the entire pro-choice movement &#8211; based solely on objections to\u00a0religion. There are several reasons for this. First, not all pro-choicers share Koffman&#8217;s irrational views. Second, pro-lifers\u00a0actually have science and logic to support\u00a0their views, which\u00a0enables\u00a0them to present a much more compelling argument than &#8220;you silly religious freak!&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>To summarize, religion is only relevant to the abortion debate among individuals who base their views on religion. For example, it is perfectly acceptable\u00a0for the pro-choice Christian to debate the pro-life Christian using Biblical references, because those references will likely\u00a0be relevant to the views of both parties. It is, however, not even remotely\u00a0relevant to argue against the entire pro-life movement\u00a0based solely on objections to the Bible or other aspects of religion. It&#8217;s a waste of everyone&#8217;s time, and like many pro-choice talking points, it just\u00a0makes it appear that the pro-choice camp is\u00a0a bit short on actual, relevant\u00a0arguments &#8211; which is likely the case.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Upon engaging in discussions about abortion, one will quickly discover that some pro-choice\u00a0debaters have\u00a0nothing relevant\u00a0to contribute to the conversation. Instead of discussing the issues at hand, they\u00a0repeatedly shout broad attacks &#8211; not directly\u00a0on pro-life\u00a0views, but\u00a0on religious views they assume to be held by pro-lifers. Don&#8217;t believe me? 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